Balooning/Edging question

[Steve23]

While balooning, edging and sex when you do RK's do you try and hold them as long as you can or do them while you inhale then let go on the exhale then start again? And while balooning you can rub the frenulum?

 

[JamesMonroe]

While balooning, edging and sex when you do RK's do you try and hold them as long as you can or do them while you inhale then let go on the exhale then start again? And while balooning you can rub the frenulum?

Do reverse Kegels as exercises on your own then experiment with edging and sex where you hold a kegel the whole time while you do full strokes or only use them when you have to stop penetration for a second to perform a reverse kegel. That should stop you from ejaculation very well. I think if you find ALL your sensitive sweet spots on your penis and gradually rub them harder/faster... that will help u out better in the long run. Go easy at first. You want to atlasest go for 30 minutes and you are never supposed to ejaculate at the end of ballooning. I'm starting to do the same with edging and even combining the two.

 

[Steve23]

Thanks, when I reverse kegel I seem to only be able to do it inhaling and and holding while I inhale or if I want to hold it longer it seems like my lower body is tense like im trying to hold my breath and breath at the same time.

Also if I baloon and rub the frenulum as a practise do I really even need to practise edging also?

 

[JamesMonroe]

Thanks, when I reverse kegel I seem to only be able to do it inhaling and and holding while I inhale or if I want to hold it longer it seems like my lower body is tense like im trying to hold my breath and breath at the same time.

Also if I baloon and rub the frenulum as a practise do I really even need to practise edging also?

You will get better. Just keep pushing out all the time but do one day on one day OFF. you need rest days. Lay flat On a bed or standing up straight so that there is no pressure on your anus. Don't do it sitting down at first. Do that later. The full flex will be felt at the anus, then at the penis/balls area. Definately do edging(full stroke masturbation) because it is close to sex act. Then when u are good at ballooning u can also use it at PONRs to continue stimulation without having to stop at all during edging.

 

[Steve23]

Alright thanks, but it just seems I breath deep and slow but when I reverse kegel I can only do it and hold it while inhaling then when I want to hold it my breathing gets tense like im holding it in with my abs etc, very different from normal kegels where I can hold them and breath deep and normal while holding for a long time

 

[JamesMonroe]

Alright thanks, but it just seems I breath deep and slow but when I reverse kegel I can only do it and hold it while inhaling then when I want to hold it my breathing gets tense like im holding it in with my abs etc, very different from normal kegels where I can hold them and breath deep and normal while holding for a long time

Dont worry! I was the same way! I could only do them holding my breath and now I can hold one for about 1 minute while breathing normally! strong abs might help but I'm not sure.

 

[Steve23]

During sex should you be reverse kegeling the whole time or as much as you can?

 

[JamesMonroe]

Some people say they can do it the whole time but some say you should hold a light one the whole time and some only use it at PONRs. as u get better u will decide.

 

[Steve23]

Ah ok, I can edge with my shaft for around 25-30min before my first ponr, but if I try and edge with the frenulum or around it I last like 3min.. guess I should baloon with my frenulum more than edge then?

 

[Drummer19]

Ah ok, I can edge with my shaft for around 25-30min before my first ponr, but if I try and edge with the frenulum or around it I last like 3min.. guess I should baloon with my frenulum more than edge then?

Man I couldn't edge for 30 seconds without reaching the PONR! I would hit the PONR about 30 times a session for the first 3 weeks. Even now I can edge for 10-15 min before reaching the PONR and this is after 8 months of edging! The ferinium is the source of much of the stimulation you feel so practicing ballooning would definitely help.

And also, from doing kegals and reverse kegals for that long of a period makes me have an unconscious reverse kegal when edging and during sex, so I don't worry about doing reverse kegals when in the moment, unless I need an extra boost then I will.

 

[JamesMonroe]

Ah ok, I can edge with my shaft for around 25-30min before my first ponr, but if I try and edge with the frenulum or around it I last like 3min.. guess I should baloon with my frenulum more than edge then?

Yes... drummer is right. You should focus on gradually getting better at your sensitive spot with ballooning. You might be able to edge longer and stimulate that spot longer later. Go easy and build it up. Let us know how it goes!

 

[J-A-K]

It is also my experience that I can stimulate the lower half of my penis for quite a while and maintain pretty good control. When I do this, I can actually feel my arousal rise through various stages as described elsewhere. By slowing down or stopping for brief periods, my arousal drops and then I can continue again. The arousal feeling builds up in the frenulum. Unfortunately, if I move up towards the frenulum the sensation just shoots through the roof and I'll reach PONR within seconds if I continue there. There are no stages of pleasure and no kegels causing the increase that I'm aware of.

It feels like it only has to do with nerves sending messages of pleasure to my brain and nothing mechanical. I don't understand why the sensation there is so much greater than anywhere else. Does a normal guy feel intense pleasure there as well, but has the ability to deal with it better? It really feels that I can do nothing about it if there is stimulation there. Seeing that it is in the front I'm sure it would never be free of stimulation during oral or penetration either. Even during the course of the day when I'm completely flaccid, if something is rubbing that spot I can usually feel an arousing feeling there. It's like it rarely ever turns "off". Is this an odd thing?

So ballooning this area often should eventually lessen the effect it has on the urge to ejaculate? Is that how it's supposed to work? All of the build up of arousal and urge to orgasm is centered on this spot. At least it is for me. I wish I could experience what a normal guy feels during all of this so I could understand the difference in what is going on. So frustrating.

 

[Drummer19]

It feels like it only has to do with nerves sending messages of pleasure to my brain and nothing mechanical. I don't understand why the sensation there is so much greater than anywhere else. Does a normal guy feel intense pleasure there as well, but has the ability to deal with it better? It really feels that I can do nothing about it if there is stimulation there. Seeing that it is in the front I'm sure it would never be free of stimulation during oral or penetration either. Even during the course of the day when I'm completely flaccid, if something is rubbing that spot I can usually feel an arousing feeling there. It's like it rarely ever turns "off". Is this an odd thing?

So ballooning this area often should eventually lessen the effect it has on the urge to ejaculate? Is that how it's supposed to work? All of the build up of arousal and urge to orgasm is centered on this spot. At least it is for me. I wish I could experience what a normal guy feels during all of this so I could understand the difference in what is going on. So frustrating.

I am pretty sure you feel the same stimulation as everyone else. The difference is that your body just reacts in a way that shoots your arousal up. Look for my Arousal Techniques thread if you haven't already and learn step one, which is understanding what your body does when aroused. It is from there you can learn to relax while stimulated and keep your arousal stable. If you can learn to control your arousal when stimulated I am sure you will be able to feel pleasure and be able to relax at the same time without having to worry about Pre E.

 

[J-A-K]

I am pretty sure you feel the same stimulation as everyone else. The difference is that your body just reacts in a way that shoots your arousal up. Look for my Arousal Techniques thread if you haven't already and learn step one, which is understanding what your body does when aroused. It is from there you can learn to relax while stimulated and keep your arousal stable. If you can learn to control your arousal when stimulated I am sure you will be able to feel pleasure and be able to relax at the same time without having to worry about Pre E.

Well, I can masturbate while sitting in a quiet room with no visual stimulation and keep my mind calm and free of thought as much as I can and it doesn't make a difference. I would like to add that before I ever learned to masturbate normally, I found that rubbing the frenulum felt good. I would actually hump a pillow, rubbing the frenulum on it until I had an orgasm. I was perhaps 12 I think. Is it possible it's just too sensitive for some reason or did my initial habits with it just lead me to having the problems I do now? There must be a reason I found that area to feel good before anything else.

 

[Drummer19]

I know for a fact from before I started kegalling that no matter what I did, even if there was nothing to arouse me (visual stimulation), I would still finish quickly. Just like you are saying. Edging, kegalling, and reverse kegalling got me to a point to where I could at least last 5-10 min without finishing (with no visual stimulation). Once I had visual stimulation added however, it was as if I hadn't accomplished anything, and I found myself finishing right away.

At first I had imbalanced floor muscles (PC/ BC) and when I balanced them I could last longer. It is when I had balanced floor muscules that arousal techniques were really beneficial and could help me last longer.

My frenulum is still as sensitive as the day I started here, although I have learned to lessen the intense arousal effect it has.

 

[JamesMonroe]

Man I couldn't edge for 30 seconds without reaching the PONR! I would hit the PONR about 30 times a session for the first 3 weeks. Even now I can edge for 10-15 min before reaching the PONR and this is after 8 months of edging! The ferinium is the source of much of the stimulation you feel so practicing ballooning would definitely help.

And also, from doing kegals and reverse kegals for that long of a period makes me have an unconscious reverse kegal when edging and during sex, so I don't worry about doing reverse kegals when in the moment, unless I need an extra boost then I will.

wow drummer...I didnt know that about you.... i dont get PONRs untill minute 45 now but last time i had sex I finished in 5 minutes. haha! go figure!

 

[JamesMonroe]

Man I couldn't edge for 30 seconds without reaching the PONR! I would hit the PONR about 30 times a session for the first 3 weeks. Even now I can edge for 10-15 min before reaching the PONR and this is after 8 months of edging! The ferinium is the source of much of the stimulation you feel so practicing ballooning would definitely help.

And also, from doing kegals and reverse kegals for that long of a period makes me have an unconscious reverse kegal when edging and during sex, so I don't worry about doing reverse kegals when in the moment, unless I need an extra boost then I will.

Unconscious reverse kegel? man... i hope I get that soon!!!