Big veins and little theory

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That’s the science routine : observation about a phenomenon(that is unexplained), thinking about a law that can explain that, and testing the hypothesis.

So here we go:

FOREWORD
I practice PE for three weeks. That's my routine:
10 min warm up
stretches 20sec in every direction (two times)
40 jelq (with low erection, not above the 50%)
random kegel

-Gains 0,2 in EL 0,2 in EG (nice gains in my opinion)
-Problem : my EQ falls down.
-Interesting observation : my veins are bigger ,especially the ones on the top of the penis.

So I stopped for 14 days. In these days I done some warm up and some massage for the penis.
I never masturbate, but have sex 5 times.
My erection are worse then before I attempt PE, but somehow improving day after day.
Till now I didn't do any PE exercise ,but still thinking if I have done something wrong.
My penis works ,but not as it has ever worked.
And the veins still remains there, big and evident.



PHENOMENON
Low EQ related to big veins (or and [little] gains).
In this case my starting point is that low EQ is related with big veins.
But I can be wrong and it can be related with gains, or with both or maybe with something else.
I pick the veins hypothesis because I have notice other case in the forum and it seems the most likely to me , but it is still a personal hypothesis.


THEORY (about veins)
The veins are different from arteries. In fact they have different function.

--The arteries are deep inside the body, the structure is very strong (because they have to hold on to the pressure made by the heart [from 120mmhg to 80mmhg]) and they lead the oxygenated blood from the heart to the body (from the centre to the periphery).

--The veins are more superficial(even if there are some veins in deep)and they have a singular structure: very flexible and elastic and with a valves.
This structure is functional to the aim : the need to carry on the blood from the periphery to the heart. In fact while in the arteries the pressure (made by the heart) is adequate to make the blood travel around the body, the veins does not have a way to pump the blood (and the pressure made by the heart is dissipated).
So there is the need of these valves ,to make sure that blood doesn't come back. Using gravity and skeletal muscle ,valves allow the blood to return to the heart.
[to a better explanation of this mechanism you can go wiki].
Further more the veins are elastic and the pressure rarely goes upon the 10mmhg.

{Need to say something at this point : while the arteries carry on the oxygenated blood to the cell of the body from the lungs ,the veins carry on the dioxide(used oxygen) from the cells of the body to the lungs. The oxygen is needed to the cellular processes. I will recall this point in the end, so keep it in mind }

Here comes the PE.

THE HYPOTESIS
-the jelq create a great pressure in the superficial veins of the top of the penis (in fact while at the base of penis the pressure is low, it increases proportionally until it reaches the glands, where the pressure made by the jelq is very high and can’t dissipate this pressure that is absorbed)
-the veins are not used to this great pressure and are elastic so the jelq(and the absorbed pressure) ends up by deforming (temporary I hope) the veins
-the veins become bigger.

Where is the problem? The valves.
The valves are not used to the pressure ,so when jelqing somehow we force this delicate structure. Furthermore the veins becomes bigger, but not the valves.
For this reason we deform our vascular system (e.g. like having a door that doesn’t close properly, allowing something to exit)
And obviously that's a problem for the penis.

I don't want to write down how penis works, but we all know that it's filled by blood.
His hardness depends on of much blood it can trap inside during the erection. If there is loosening of blood it can’t by hard as usual.
That ‘s why I think that bigger veins mess up the vascular system of the penis conduct to a loss of hardness in the erection.


APPLICATIONS
If the theory is right then we have to adequate our training. In fact if we believe in a wrong theory we can use exercise that can mess up our penis.
Let me say another things: this correlation between bigger veins and PE and low EQ doesn’t affect everyone.
Why? Because (but that’s an other hypothesis that needs to be discuss) it can be related to the internal blood pressure. Me e.g. have a high internal blood pressure. Maybe people that have made gains and not suffer of low EQ (indeed they improved their EQ) may have an internal low blood pressure.

So the applications (if this theory is right)

1)while the stretch doesn’t not have nothing to do with pressure, the jelq does. So we have to modify the jelq to not have problems in the EQ.

-we can reverse jelq (in this case we put light pressure to the top and carry this pressure to the base of penis. In this way the pressure doesn’t increase along the shaft because we fallow the way that the blood flows in the veins. And the arteries are in too deep and are very strong to affect them with our movement )

-we can jelq till half shaft (so the pressure inside the penis remains low)

-we can jelk only one side of the penis (e.g. the left side first, then right side)

2)we must re-think the precedent theory about veins and “nutrients”.
This theory says :
-bigger veins can carry on much nutrients to the cells of penis
-much nutrients much the penis grows

This theory is wrong for many reasons. It doesn’t fit the anatomy and the working of the body.
Here is why:

-veins (usually) don’t carry “nutrients” (I said before that veins carry dioxide and they go by the periphery to the heart ,so doesn’t make sense they carry nutrients. The nutrients are [usually]in the arteries, not in the veins. Sure the veins of the top of the penis doesn’t bring any nutrients to the penis itself)

-also bigger veins doesn’t mean much more nutrients (the portion of nutrients will be the
same, because the body doesn’t know that have to increase the contribution of “nutrients” )

-furthermore this theory totally forget about the way cells assume nutrients: the osmosis balance.

For these reasons (to me seems that) the “nutrients theory” is implausible.


CONCLUSIONS

1) The penis is a very complex unit. With PE we try to modify his balance, but we have to give him a “new balance”. That’s way theory is very important . Until we don’t understand how PE works we should approach to PE very carefully

2)EQ is the ONLY THINGH THAT DOES MATTER. If we have a low EQ we are messing up our penis. High EQ means that the balance in our penis is right. If we want a functional and bigger penis we have to keep and preserve (or even make better) that balance.

3)If balance is important and if PE truly works ,is necessary the contributions of the veterans . With their help we can understand what to do.

4)PE (when works) modify two things : the ligaments and the structure of the corpora cavernosa. It has nothing to do with veins enlargement. It is only a side effect, that for some people it’s not good.

5)There is a need to understand how we can make veins return to their normal dimension pre-PE (personally I tried apply at interval some cold water, but any ideas are welcome)

FINALLY
I know ,it is long and not well written (my mistake, I’ m sorry) but it’s something. I hope this can give to you something to think about. Until science will take seriously PE, we all will be pioneers in this activity. Personally I think that every one should have a big(8x6) healthy penis. But the biggest part of PEers mess up their penis in this holy quest .
Recently I take a look on Thunder’s place. I see many photos. In most of this photos I see penis in necrosis ,penis messed up o with seriously damage.
That’s not PE. PE is about health! It’s a mystery to me why so many people doesn’t notice that are destroying their penis.
For this reason I think that photos made by vets that have had big gains (and are healthy) can show the way to all PEers : if people see a bigger and healthy penis will understand much better what to aim for.
Without references people can only imagine how their penis should looks like.
Ok, I stop.
Thank you for reading. I will appreciate any comments.
 

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wow very great research there dude! i am terribly worring on how to increase girth.. do you have suggestions?
 

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Umm actually lowered eq is normal after a period of gain,s as your eq grows into your new penis size.
Increased viens are usually thought of as a positive, I havn't noticed them being related to eq. perhaps others have some corelation.
 

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wow very great research there dude! i am terribly worring on how to increase girth.. do you have suggestions?

thanks luweesz.
suggestions to increase girth?it depends.
Do you have had problem with jelq(low eq)?If not continue with jelq(it would take time),if yes maybe you should re-think your jelq tecniques.If you read the post I have suggested some way to jelq.
 

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Umm actually lowered eq is normal after a period of gain,s as your eq grows into your new penis size.
Increased viens are usually thought of as a positive, I havn't noticed them being related to eq. perhaps others have some corelation.

Yes,in fact I did't say "it 's absolute evident that big veins are correlate with lowered EQ".
On the contrary I say that would be a interesting hypothesis ,and I try to find a theory that would explain that phenomenon.

Let me say it clear : not everybody has low EQ due to big veins. In fact some people have bigger veins and their EQ increase. But in some cases (my case e.g.) are correlated.

That 's why I don't think is a P.I. .How it could be? It would be a PI only if the theory of "nutrients" is true.
But for me that theory is implausible(and I explained why),so three are chances:
-or I'm wrong about "nutrients"
-or there is another reason that makes bigger veins a PI
-or bigger veins aren't a PI
 

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You seem obsessed with big viens, I see little to support your theory.

If of course, you get a flood of posts ,saying they have noticed bigger viens equal lower eq ,it may be worth looking at.

However at this point ,your very long post, seems to be going nowhere plausible.

Anyway the answer is simple, we sit and wait for your flood of supporting replies.
If they don't appear ,at least you were out there thinking and this has value..
 

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Sorry Pegasus,I didn't understand all your reply.But to me seems little hostile.
I write long posts because english is not my language,so I need much word to say simple concepts.
Anyway you say my theory seems to be going nowhere plausible.
Could you explain?I wrote down an argument. It could be wrong,I know. And I like you to tell me where I'm wrong.
Thank you.
 

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There is either supporting evidence or not.
This(pegym) is possibly the best place on earth to gather supporting evidence.
So if you get a flood of supporting posts, it may ,I repeat may, have something to it, otherwise it is hot air.
Since you know the science routine, you know this.

We have 1000's of members ,if there is a strong correlation between big viens and low eq it will soon be obvious.

Forgive me if I am spoonfeeding you.
 

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Ok,now I understand.
Yes I know,somehow I have to proof my theory to make belivable. And I will try to find example.It could take long,but it is in my interest.
But let me say this : I'm not tring to debunk PE. Conversely I aim to delete false theory that give discredit to PE. And the theory of "big veins means much nutrient to the penis" is laughable.
Furtheremore I 'd like the help of other people.
Is is a science theory forum or a dogmatic ones? You say I have to prove what I'm sayng.And that's right. But nobody has proved the "nutrient theory".
I'm only trying to find what theory makes more sense.I belive in PE,but I want also to understand how it works.
 

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I don't understand the 'nutrient theory' that I read sometimes. I usually have bigger and thicker penis when my veins are bigger, since I just started PE, the smaller veins dissapear a bit (not completely) and then when I get an erection, it isnt as big as when all the veins are at their maximum. I GUESS when I'm gonna continue PE for a few months, these veins will not dissapear as quickly and my erections will be bigger.
 

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Good stuff, for sure. Why don't you create a poll and get some feedback from the members that way?

My question: Are all the veins in the body the same? Do the veins in the penis have a different function than, for example, the veins in the hands, feet, ears, etc? Aren't most nutrients absorbed in the intestines?

I agree with you about starting out slow and approaching p.e. in a methodical "sane" manner. My penis, as far as I can tell, is quite the same as it was when I started seven years ago. No real change in its appearance, at least. I'll post some pics soon to show this. However, I do not have any before pics, and the pics I took back in 2004 are long since gone, except if they still exist at Thunder's. I was known as "Horsehung" there.
 

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I don't understand the 'nutrient theory' that I read sometimes. I usually have bigger and thicker penis when my veins are bigger, since I just started PE, the smaller veins dissapear a bit (not completely) and then when I get an erection, it isnt as big as when all the veins are at their maximum. I GUESS when I'm gonna continue PE for a few months, these veins will not dissapear as quickly and my erections will be bigger.

That's exactly the point : to the "nutrient theory" when veins become bigger then your erection becomes better.
And for me,this theory doen't explain how PE really works.
 

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Good stuff, for sure. Why don't you create a poll and get some feedback from the members that way?

My question: Are all the veins in the body the same? Do the veins in the penis have a different function than, for example, the veins in the hands, feet, ears, etc? Aren't most nutrients absorbed in the intestines?

I agree with you about starting out slow and approaching p.e. in a methodical "sane" manner. My penis, as far as I can tell, is quite the same as it was when I started seven years ago. No real change in its appearance, at least. I'll post some pics soon to show this. However, I do not have any before pics, and the pics I took back in 2004 are long since gone, except if they still exist at Thunder's. I was known as "Horsehung" there.


Thank you for the idea Going411by7 (by the way,you are a hero for me,you and kingpole).
I have had the same thought and I will make a poll soon.

That's exatly the point : the "nutrient theory" it 's a simplistic manner to figure out a complex system.[ For answer your questions there is the need to study anatomy and the functioning of the body (digestive apparatus,nerovus system,lymphatic system,vascular system,hormones system...).So for the moment we can use only some notions,reason and common sense.]

Thank you for your words,you have understand perfecty what I was trying to say.
 

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I think i would partially agree with your theory.

I recently developed bigger vein on top of my penis (i think it is the dorsal vein), however I was not PEing in that duration but was having enough sex (7-8 times a week). And I found a very huge drop in EQ.

After doing some PE workouts from past 2 weeks and having the erection tea as suggested by KP, I am on a recovery track but still my EQ is not like it was 3 months ago and the vein is still there.
 

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I think i would partially agree with your theory.

I recently developed bigger vein on top of my penis (i think it is the dorsal vein), however I was not PEing in that duration but was having enough sex (7-8 times a week). And I found a very huge drop in EQ.

After doing some PE workouts from past 2 weeks and having the erection tea as suggested by KP, I am on a recovery track but still my EQ is not like it was 3 months ago and the vein is still there.

ok,thanks for the feedback(myabe you can check out the poll I have made about this thing..).
I think you have to reblance your PE routine.
Great EQ is what you would to aim for. Go by try and find what routine is best for you.
Me,after the early drop of EQ ,I made 15 days of rest. I only heat up the penis,massage it with oil,and do sex. But not PE.
Now I come back to PE ,slowy ,very slowly ,with a different way of jelq (15 jelq up and down very gently and lightly) and my EQ seems returned to the pre-state of even better.

So here my advice : find the best way to improve your EQ,only then you can afford the PE exercise.