Creatine

[Pegasus]

These doses Radio and Rib are talking about are not loading doses and are thus 4 plus times higher than the recomended dose of 5 g.
Or if you take that sites recomended dose of 2.7g(for a 200lb guy) it is 7 times higher.

Of course there is no real need for a loading dose anyway ,it seems to confuse people.

 

[Pegasus]

Bodybuilder types use vast amounts of drugs and I can't convince them that is unhealthy and not a good idea.
Think I am wasting my time here.

For a footballer to need 15g maintaince he would need to be 500lb odd, having said that it makes more sense than radio being on 20g.

Anyway, I tire of being the voice of reason ,it is so unrewarding.

 

[PESG]

Pegasus, I'm not discrediting what you are saying. Please don't think that. I completely understand what you are talking about.

 

[RIB2211]

Pegasus, I too am not trying to discredit you. There's a lot of ways to do something in regards to health. I take all of my weightlifting advice from my old coach who moved on to a Big Ten strength program. While there, he studied a three-year observation by a Texas A&M Sports Nutritionist that was based on the effects of creatine. The study revealed the recommended dose to be 12g-15g a day.

Is this right? I think it is, and that's why I followed it. I had a lot of success too. But typically, there is a reason why manufacturers put a their reccomended dose of the bottle. For a lot of the population, 3g-5g is plenty. There are some people out there, like myself, that greatly benefit from 12g-15g a day.

Don't think I'm trying to throw you down here bud, because you are correct in everything you have said so far! But again, there's always two ways to go about things...

 

[RockofFox]

Ok guys well Radiohead you've just got to do your research and make sure you are well informed in your decisions, using sources you trust. your maintenance dose in my opinion is far too high, from my experiences as a personal trainer in a past life. The problem with anything associated with weightlifting/bodybuilding, is that if you tell a bodybuilder you should take (x) amount of something, he will then go and take (x) multiplied by 10. This then gets fed down the line until it is common practice to take a bucket load more than is necessary
This is the same with performance enhancing drugs and why modern day bodybuilders look so fucking ridiculous (in my opinion). Arnold would never have taken 1/4 as much as the guys take these days and he had a wonderful body.
Anyway thats getting off topic.
I dont think there has been shown to be any benefit taking more than 5g per day as a maintenance dose, certainly not more than 10g.
Taking large amounts of creatine will absolutely place extra load on your kidneys and liver due to the metabolism that occurs. If your fine with this and you watch yourself and dont load your kidneys with too much other sh*t, then do what you will. Just remember to be cautious with anything that you take.
I have included some neutral links on creatine from reputable sources that you should feel free to peruse should yo want to.

Australian Institute of Sport :: Creatine

http://www.sportsdietitians.com.au/...ne_supplementation_and_sports_performance.pdf

Sportscience Creatine Review

 

[DT1988]

Just remember this guys on supplements. Every major bodybuilding/fitness magazine out there owns a supplement company. (including bodybuilding.com). They give you ridiculous routines that will put you in a huge overtrained state. and then pump supplement ads all over the place because they know the readers will get frustrated with the program and turned to their many advertised supplements for help. I'm definitely one of those people who was swooped up as a sucker a few years ago. But it won't happen again.

 

[Pegasus]

Ok so mainstream advice ,for maintaince phase is 3g to 5g.
I can see an argument for 10g for a large athlete.
Rib feels a large footballer might get up to 15g.
Beyond that is the realm of bodybuilders and thus I believe, suspect at best.

 

[seekingbigdick]

I think im only going for 5 grams per day. its the recommened amount on the bottle, so thats what im going to go with.

 

[Pegasus]

Remember, that although creatine works well for most people, there are people it doesn't work for.

 

[DT1988]

I don't at all, that's for sure. But unlike other supplements, creatine has been so researched and beaten down, that you'd be hard pressed to argue that it does help a little. This is coming from a nonresponder, and besides, creatine does have healthy benefits for the heart. (remember the hearts a muscle too guys.)

 

[Radiohead]

I stopped the 15 grams/day of creatine.

My performance went wayyyy down at the gym

But I am forcing myself even more to make up for it.

 

[PESG]

How long did you take 15 grams / day?

 

[bobbix]

its been proven that Creatine does increase DHT levels and therefore will have an enhancing effect on increasing the size of your penis after extended use along with a good PE routine.

 

[DemOne]

its been proven that Creatine does increase DHT levels and therefore will have an enhancing effect on increasing the size of your penis after extended use along with a good PE routine.

Creatine nor DHT will increase the size of the penis, with or without a PE routine.

 

[bobbix]

According to this reliable site, DHT does.

Transdermal dihydrotestosterone therapy and its effec... [J Urol. 1993] - PubMed - NCBI

 

[DemOne]

According to this reliable site, DHT does.

Transdermal dihydrotestosterone therapy and its effec... [J Urol. 1993] - PubMed - NCBI

Key thing about that study is it's for the treatment of microphallus, also known as micropenis, which is caused by hormone deficiencies and is a disorder that stems from prenatal growth. The treatment with the DHT helps solve the issue with the hormone disorder which then leads to normal penis growth, as well as normal growth throughout the rest of the body. This doesn't have any effect on a person who's not suffering from hormone deficiencies that lead to micropenis.

 

[bobbix]

Key thing about that study is it's for the treatment of microphallus, also known as micropenis, which is caused by hormone deficiencies and is a disorder that stems from prenatal growth. The treatment with the DHT helps solve the issue with the hormone disorder which then leads to normal penis growth, as well as normal growth throughout the rest of the body. This doesn't have any effect on a person who's not suffering from hormone deficiencies that lead to micropenis.

The evidence proves that it does indeed lengthen penile tissue. Just because they were deficient doesn't mean it only works in those cases. Its like saying if you give yourself winstrol you will not gain unless you are deficient in test.

The cream/gel works on females trying to increase the size of their clit to have a similar male member. So its clearly obvious that if it works in small penis....and it works in no penis...it will work for bigger penis because in fact that is what it did in the first study...increased penis size.....

have you seen this study

Serum androgen levels in black, Hisp... [J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2006] - PubMed - NCBI

well maybe thats why african americans on average have bigger penis' than other races

here is a study that says DHT stays the same after age 20 and beyond

Dihydrotestosterone and testosterone t... [Neuro Endocrinol Lett. 2008] - PubMed - NCBI


so, its only logical to believe that increasing these lvls in just the penis with the right dosage will increase size......but i suspect only with PE will a noticable gain be made

 

[DemOne]

The evidence proves that it does indeed lengthen penile tissue. Just because they were deficient doesn't mean it only works in those cases. Its like saying if you give yourself winstrol you will not gain unless you are deficient in test.

The cream/gel works on females trying to increase the size of their clit to have a similar male member. So its clearly obvious that if it works in small penis....and it works in no penis...it will work for bigger penis because in fact that is what it did in the first study...increased penis size.....

have you seen this study

Serum androgen levels in black, Hisp... [J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2006] - PubMed - NCBI

well maybe thats why african americans on average have bigger penis' than other races

here is a study that says DHT stays the same after age 20 and beyond

Dihydrotestosterone and testosterone t... [Neuro Endocrinol Lett. 2008] - PubMed - NCBI


so, its only logical to believe that increasing these lvls in just the penis with the right dosage will increase size......but i suspect only with PE will a noticable gain be made

No, the evidence does not prove that DHT increases penile tissue. It's already known that it doesn't. The penis is made up of the same tissue that makes up the bladder, liver, kidney, and other internal organs. DHT doesn't increase the size of those organs either.

It's also a complete myth that blacks have larger penises.

I'm sorry, but you clearly have absolutely no understanding of what you're talking about and are just reading short segments of studies and drawing uneducated conclusions from them. DHT will not increase the size of the penis, period.

 

[bobbix]

that is not true and im sorry but you don't have any clue what you speak.

The liver and kidney is not a muscle....

the penis is made from three seperate tissues of two different types both which are muscles