l-arginine, most affective forms? apparently tablets not as affective as powder

[slanker]

I have been doing some research on arginine. And it states that it is not effective in tablet or capsule form and that powder form is the best way to cross the blood brain barrier. This could explain why some people have felt no affect.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]•[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Capsules Or Tablets[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]•[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Sprays Or Liquid[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]•[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]High Glycemic Formulas (Any Formula That Contains Glucose, Glucose
Polymers, Sugar, Sucrose, Maltodextrins, Honey)[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]•[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Less Than 10,000 Mg (10 G) Of Elemental L-Arginine[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]•[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Formulas Without A Blind Amino Acid ® Rider[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]•[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Formula That Contain Protein Or Competing Amino Acids[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]•[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Formulas With No/Low Carbohydrates[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]•[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]HCL Arginine Or[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]•[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Formulas Taken At Incorrect BBB Access-Times[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]•[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Formulas Taken With Or Near Food/Drink (Other Than Water)[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]•[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Formulas That Contain High Glycemic Flavor Systems[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]•[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]L-Lysine: Unlike L-arginine, L-lysine does not improve whole muscle
strength or size, and is therefore a substandard amino acid for athletes and
persons desiring to increase size and power output from muscle tissue and
muscle mitochondria.[/FONT]

according to my research so far, l-argininem2 is the best form and has to be at least 5g per day for therapeautic benefit and 10g to stimulate human growth hormone.

any feedback on this?

 

[slanker]

Also, 8000mg plus of arginine stimulates the production of human growth hormone. Could this be what aids gains in penis exercises?

 

[Iguana]

I wasn't aware it came in other forms. Is the powder form very popular? Eight grams and up seems like a hefty dose.
Do you know what the safe levels are?

 

[slanker]

see here

L-ArginineM2 | L-Arginine | Arginine | larginine

apparently, 5000mg is bare minimun for therapeutic affect and 10000mg for athletes. Am assuming taking it in power form is safer and more effective. The product is called rg9m2 used by olympic athletes etc.

 

[Iguana]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This seems to be significant:[/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]When co-administered with a Blind Amino Acid Rider, L-Arginine may be utilized orally in humans safely long-term. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Without a Blind Amino Acid Rider, oral ingestion of L-Arginine has been shown in clinical trials (Journal of the American Medical Association/Johns Hopkins University) to result in mortality.[/FONT]

 

[slanker]

This is also very important.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]How do you take L-arginine [/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The interesting thing about l-arginine is that there are 2 protocols, and they are very different in their application and the benefits derived. L-arginine is what is called dose dependent and timing dependent. That means the amount of l-arginine ingested is relative to the benefits received. Additionally, l-arginine is timing dependent. That means that the time of day that you take l-arginine affects the benefits received. The Nitric Oxide protocol is comprised of ingesting 5 grams, which is 5,000 milligrams of elemental arginine, 1-3 times during the day.

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] The anti-aging protocol is comprised of ingesting 10 grams of elemental l-arginine only at bedtime on a totally empty stomach, which accesses the delta sleep cycle. If you take l-arginine during the night you will get all of the benefits of Nitric Oxide and anti-aging. If you take l-arginine during the day you won’t get any anti-aging benefits. It really just depends on what people are looking for. If you want cardio-vascular, Nitric Oxide and sexual function, you can take it during the day. If you are looking for testosterone, anti-aging GH and IGF factors, you have got to take it 30-40 minutes prior to sleep on a totally empty s[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]tomach and it has to contain a rider. That’s why you can’t take capsules of l-arginine, or just plain l-arginine, it just won’t work.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]What is the proper formulation to get all the benefits? [/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]There is only one way that is effective and safe and that is in a powder. The reason is for every 25 grams of material, that only nets you 10 grams of elemental l-arginine. Only 1 gram of l-arginine will fit in a capsule so you would have to take 25 grams at one time. That would cause an esophageal collapse. These people who are putting l-arginine in capsules don’t know what they are doing. It is also very dangerous to do so. [/FONT]​

 

[remek]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This seems to be significant:[/FONT]

Quote: "L-Arginine . . . [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]to result in mortality"[/FONT]

I'd say! How credible you think this site is? Maybe this explains where Big Girtha went to . . . :bad:

 

[remek]

This is also very important.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]How do you take L-arginine [/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The interesting thing about l-arginine is that there are 2 protocols, and they are very different in their application and the benefits derived. L-arginine is what is called dose dependent and timing dependent. That means the amount of l-arginine ingested is relative to the benefits received. Additionally, l-arginine is timing dependent. That means that the time of day that you take l-arginine affects the benefits received. The Nitric Oxide protocol is comprised of ingesting 5 grams, which is 5,000 milligrams of elemental arginine, 1-3 times during the day.

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] The anti-aging protocol is comprised of ingesting 10 grams of elemental l-arginine only at bedtime on a totally empty stomach, which accesses the delta sleep cycle. If you take l-arginine during the night you will get all of the benefits of Nitric Oxide and anti-aging. If you take l-arginine during the day you won’t get any anti-aging benefits. It really just depends on what people are looking for. If you want cardio-vascular, Nitric Oxide and sexual function, you can take it during the day. If you are looking for testosterone, anti-aging GH and IGF factors, you have got to take it 30-40 minutes prior to sleep on a totally empty s[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]tomach and it has to contain a rider. That’s why you can’t take capsules of l-arginine, or just plain l-arginine, it just won’t work.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]What is the proper formulation to get all the benefits? [/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]There is only one way that is effective and safe and that is in a powder. The reason is for every 25 grams of material, that only nets you 10 grams of elemental l-arginine. Only 1 gram of l-arginine will fit in a capsule so you would have to take 25 grams at one time. That would cause an esophageal collapse. These people who are putting l-arginine in capsules don’t know what they are doing. It is also very dangerous to do so. [/FONT]​

Where'd this info come from, slank?

 

[slanker]

remek: see here

[SIZE=-1]www.safelarginine.com

also, I belive both sites are credible they are linked to Dr Ann de Wees who patented this arginine product RG9M2
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[remek]

That's the thing - anyone can start a website. When it comes to these type of things, your best bet is 1) Scientific Journals 2) Books 3) Credible websites (all of which can even be misconstrued themselves).

Without a reference to a study, I'm not sure if I believe any of it.

 

[slanker]

remek: thats a good statement. Personally the product is to much for me, price and how long it lasts. But in the future I will try it. So you are saying am good to go with the pills right. I respect your opinion remek I can see you guys genuinely are here to help.

 

[newPEguy]

I have been doing some research on arginine. And it states that it is not effective in tablet or capsule form and that powder form is the best way to cross the blood brain barrier. This could explain why some people have felt no affect.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]•[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Capsules Or Tablets[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]•[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Sprays Or Liquid[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]•[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]High Glycemic Formulas (Any Formula That Contains Glucose, Glucose[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Polymers, Sugar, Sucrose, Maltodextrins, Honey)[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]•[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Less Than 10,000 Mg (10 G) Of Elemental L-Arginine[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]•[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Formulas Without A Blind Amino Acid ® Rider[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]•[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Formula That Contain Protein Or Competing Amino Acids[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]•[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Formulas With No/Low Carbohydrates[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]•[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]HCL Arginine Or[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]•[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Formulas Taken At Incorrect BBB Access-Times[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]•[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Formulas Taken With Or Near Food/Drink (Other Than Water)[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]•[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Formulas That Contain High Glycemic Flavor Systems[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]•[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]L-Lysine: Unlike L-arginine, L-lysine does not improve whole muscle[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]strength or size, and is therefore a substandard amino acid for athletes and[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]persons desiring to increase size and power output from muscle tissue and[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]muscle mitochondria.[/FONT]

according to my research so far, l-argininem2 is the best form and has to be at least 5g per day for therapeautic benefit and 10g to stimulate human growth hormone.

any feedback on this?

Are the above a description of L-Argininem2 or ingredient? Does L-Arginine really help with PE? what does it do?

 

[slanker]

Interested to know what brands of l-arginine people have used and to what affect?

 

[newPEguy]

Okay.. but I posted some questions above too

 

[slanker]

newPEguy: I'm new to. That above post was referring to this product called rg9m2. An expensive powder form of arginine used by athletes. Arginine is supposed to increase Nitrous Oxide which is essential to maintaining and hardening an erection, i.e, a Pump, that pumps the muscles after a workout. The speculation I have is about which product of arginine should I buy and how much should I take, some people say 3g, Ive read 5g elsewhere. Either way I'm definitly buying it, but not just yet.

 

[remek]

remek: thats a good statement. Personally the product is to much for me, price and how long it lasts. But in the future I will try it. So you are saying am good to go with the pills right. I respect your opinion remek I can see you guys genuinely are here to help.

Slanker: That's a good question, and I understand where you're coming from: You want to maximize your hardness and chance to gain.

First, let me state that there's no doubt the pill version of L-argine works. Now the question is, does the powder work better than the pills? It might. I've heard from other sources too that powder form is better, but none of them have been the "credible" sources stated in the post above. Most of them were anecdotal reports on forums (which is a better source than some random website).

 

[remek]

Does L-Arginine really help with PE? what does it do?

It might help to some degree, but if you don't have the money for it then don't worry about it - you'll still gain so long as you PE effectively.

How does it help? The theory is that it helps with blood flow (which it does) and that this helps with gains.

 

[slanker]

thanks remek. I have seen these l arginine pills that come in 4g dosages. I might consider these after I have finished my tongkat Ali course.