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[NeverEnough9]

So i ordered liquid cialis, levitra, and viagra from a highly reputable source. I feel I have a slight issue with psychological ed and thought a couple successful bouts might boost my confidence and get me rolling again. Ive tried all 3 almost up to max dosage on separate occasions with very little if no noticable success. Does this make any sense? Do these not work at all for someone?

 

[corageon]

So i ordered liquid cialis, levitra, and viagra from a highly reputable source. I feel I have a slight issue with psychological ed and thought a couple successful bouts might boost my confidence and get me rolling again. Ive tried all 3 almost up to max dosage on separate occasions with very little if no noticable success. Does this make any sense? Do these not work at all for someone?

How are your testosterone levels...?
I know I say this a lot but test determines a lot of how you respond to PDE-5I's...
also what source did you get them from?

Some RC sites are bunk..not saying yours is.

If not test then try adding an alpha blocker and / or Yohimbine presex....

 

[NeverEnough9]

I havent had checked recently but all was good last time. Im actualky pretty healthy and very active. Dealine with a lot of stress and some depression lately. I do wake up with strong morning wood. I got my stuff from ID.

 

[NeverEnough9]

Also what are alpha blockers and why do you recommend those?

 

[corageon]

Also what are alpha blockers and why do you recommend those?

Alpha blockers stop the vasocontstrictive effects of adrenaline and are typically more effective alone or in combination with PDE-5I's for psychological E.D or performance anxiety.

However.. they do not improve libido or other aspects of sexual function, except indirectly based on the anti-stress / anti-cortisol effect so all round they may be beneficial for you.
Trazodone is one example but it can make you drowsy.
Another way of doing it would be Yohimbine + a small dose of either Prazosin or Doxasozin.
Prazosin and Doxy are blood pressure pills (alpha 1 blockers) whereas Yohimbine is a mixed alpha blocker but mainly antagonizes alpha2's which can improve general libido and erectile function.

 

[NeverEnough9]

Ok. Yea I definitely dont have a problem with libido. Are all those prescription drugs? Can generic versions be had like the liquid chems?

 

[corageon]

Ok. Yea I definitely dont have a problem with libido. Are all those prescription drugs? Can generic versions be had like the liquid chems?

Yohimbine can be bought online for cheap, like 9 or 10 bucks a bottle from primaforce on amazon.
Doxy and Prazosin are prescription only and no they don't have research versions but you can get them easily through all day chemist or IDM - internationaldrugmart.

 

[NeverEnough9]

Ok cool thanks. How does alpha blockers help with psychological ED?

 

[corageon]

Ok cool thanks. How does alpha blockers help with psychological ED?

When you are stressed, the levels of cortisol and adrenaline rise - both of which can lower N.O levels and cause constriction - thus by blocking the receptors that cause constriction due to stress - you eliminate that feedback.

 

[zezeze]

Corageon, you do realize that again you are advising some young dude to start mixing up with different types of prescription drugs that he is obtaining online on his own. At least put a disclaimer...

NeverEnough, it´s clear your ED is due to being anxious. ED meds do not work very well in these cases. Do not start experimenting with online drugs and especially mixing them, this wont do any good.

 

[corageon]

Corageon, you do realize that again you are advising some young dude to start mixing up with different types of prescription drugs that he is obtaining online on his own. At least put a disclaimer...

NeverEnough, it´s clear your ED is due to being anxious. ED meds do not work very well in these cases. Do not start experimenting with online drugs and especially mixing them, this wont do any good.

I am not advising him, I am informing him of different possibilities and broadening his view.
Considering how much I know about this sort of thing, and how long I have been studying it - I am able to make these suggestions not as the solution, but as a means of informing based on the science behind it.

I did not recommend he just go and use them without understanding the full nature of everything going on.
It was simply a factual statement.

Read before you respond, thanks.

 

[corageon]

Corageon, you do realize that again you are advising some young dude to start mixing up with different types of prescription drugs that he is obtaining online on his own. At least put a disclaimer...

NeverEnough, it´s clear your ED is due to being anxious. ED meds do not work very well in these cases. Do not start experimenting with online drugs and especially mixing them, this wont do any good.

I was not advising him to do anything, I was giving him awareness to the different treatment methods based on factual information and case-specific information.

Merely broadening his view.

Also you are doing nothing more than quoting what I had already said, and then proceeding to Ad Hominem's where it is not necessary.

I have studied this long enough to know what I am talking about - so don't try to over ride what I have said with a statement I have already said (you just wording it differently).

I also did not tell him to order anything online - I just informed him they *can* be bought online. Not that he should.

It is by no means a replacement for taking a full view of the situation.

AlphaBlockers have been used and are more strategic in terms of Psychogenic E.D and performance anxiety.

 

[zezeze]

I was not advising him to do anything, I was giving him awareness to the different treatment methods based on factual information and case-specific information.

Merely broadening his view.

Also you are doing nothing more than quoting what I had already said, and then proceeding to Ad Hominem's where it is not necessary.

I have studied this long enough to know what I am talking about - so don't try to over ride what I have said with a statement I have already said (you just wording it differently).

I also did not tell him to order anything online - I just informed him they *can* be bought online. Not that he should.

It is by no means a replacement for taking a full view of the situation.

AlphaBlockers have been used and are more strategic in terms of Psychogenic E.D and performance anxiety.

You are often "describing" in detail how to mess around with prescription drugs or herbs to alter your hormones. These posts very rarely have any practical purpose as one should never self-medicate or mess around with hormones without supervision of a doc that have prescribed the treatment in the first place. Sharing knowledge is fine, but with your posts it tends to go borderline at times. Then again it is not your responsibility but knowing what lengths young guys go to get their dick working, you should sometimes consider what you post. You are not a doc.

 

[corageon]

You are often "describing" in detail how to mess around with prescription drugs or herbs to alter your hormones. These posts very rarely have any practical purpose as one should never self-medicate or mess around with hormones without supervision of a doc that have prescribed the treatment in the first place. Sharing knowledge is fine, but with your posts it tends to go borderline at times. Then again it is not your responsibility but knowing what lengths young guys go to get their dick working, you should sometimes consider what you post. You are not a doc.

I am a BioChemist and NRR Researcher, which goes far beyond a Primary Doc.
That being said - I did not seek for OP to over ride the suggestions of his Doc, nor would I ever.
I am simply giving him more options to DISCUSS with the Doc, you seem to have overlooked the obvious.

 

[I_Like_Blondes]

You are often "describing" in detail how to mess around with prescription drugs or herbs to alter your hormones. These posts very rarely have any practical purpose as one should never self-medicate or mess around with hormones without supervision of a doc that have prescribed the treatment in the first place. Sharing knowledge is fine, but with your posts it tends to go borderline at times. Then again it is not your responsibility but knowing what lengths young guys go to get their dick working, you should sometimes consider what you post. You are not a doc.

Most doctors are not trained or overly knowledgable when it comes to alternative medicine. That's why many of us have to do our own research and conduct our own experiments. Because with the vast majority of doctors, if you tell them you are having erection issues they're usually just going to prescribe you Viagra or Cialis and kick you out the door! Some may have enough intelligence to at least check your prostate, your testosterone levels, and test you for Diabetes. But many don't even do that! And even if the Viagra or Cialis DOES work, that's still not solving the underlying problem, which is... WHY DO I HAVE ERECTILE DYSFUNCTION? But see, 99% of doctors aren't going to be genuinely interested in helping you figure that out. They just want to send you home with the little blue pill and hope that "fixes" the problem.

 

[zezeze]

Most doctors are not trained or overly knowledgable when it comes to alternative medicine. That's why many of us have to do our own research and conduct our own experiments. Because with the vast majority of doctors, if you tell them you are having erection issues they're usually just going to prescribe you Viagra or Cialis and kick you out the door! Some may have enough intelligence to at least check your prostate, your testosterone levels, and test you for Diabetes. But many don't even do that! And even if the Viagra or Cialis DOES work, that's still not solving the underlying problem, which is... WHY DO I HAVE ERECTILE DYSFUNCTION? But see, 99% of doctors aren't going to be genuinely interested in helping you figure that out. They just want to send you home with the little blue pill and hope that "fixes" the problem.

Absolutely true. Young guy with organic ED should never expect GP to be of any help, other than temporary with the pills. Then again most young guys only suffer from psychological ED for which reason the ones that don´t wont get the right help in public sector.

That is why you should seek ED specialist in private sector if your life is really suffering from it, it´s a good investment. That is rather than starting to mess around by self medicating with herbs or prescription drugs from online stores. And the thing with "herbs" is that they very rarely work. I think only [FONT=arial, sans-serif]prelox has any scientific proof to work. [/FONT]

 

[corageon]

Absolutely true. Young guy with organic ED should never expect GP to be of any help, other than temporary with the pills. Then again most young guys only suffer from psychological ED for which reason the ones that don´t wont get the right help in public sector.

That is why you should seek ED specialist in private sector if your life is really suffering from it, it´s a good investment. That is rather than starting to mess around by self medicating with herbs or prescription drugs from online stores. And the thing with "herbs" is that they very rarely work. I think only prelox has any scientific proof to work.

Yeah, depends on the herbs in question, I find that the biggest issue is the quality and source. Companies that just find the cheapest source and production method, and then try to throw a little :" standardized extract" in addition - not taking into account possible heavy metals that might be in the soil (especially ASIAN herbs) - and also not using the proper extraction method that would correlate to any positive study outcomes. For example, ethanolic vs glycerin extracts..or alcohol vs water extracts. Alcohol and Ethanol are both endocrine disrupters, and in most cases they should not be used or should be used lesser than glycerine based products (which there aren't many around).

In addition, most herbal products for either sexual enhancement or purported "alternative E.D treatment" often are spiked with illegal versions of PDE5s...and EVEN IF they aren't - what's to say the long-term effects of some of these herbs. Some of them do have some good science and background, and positive effects long-term (ideal even) but you have to get the RIGHT SOURCE. Which often means spending a hella lot more money in the long-term, enough to over ride the usual bandaids like Viagra,Cialis etc

I am not just a fan, but a firm believer in OVERALL HEALTH being the most important, and individuality not second to that but on equal. Know yourself, get bloodwork and examine the Whole Picture.

That being said, some cases of Psychogenic/Organic E.D should be treated with higher affinity PDE'5I's like Cialis..but in the long-term if one has the money to invest, High Potency Icariin extracts and / or testosterone re-balancing and hormone toning is the most important course of action.

Another big one is figuring out why one's adrenaline respondancy is higher than another.

Some people are naturally pre-disposed to E.D and psychogenic forms particularly, based on their GENES.

Two in particular.

-An alpha-2receptor mutation or deletion (causing Extra adrenaline to be secreted, especially in response to stress)
-The "Warrior Gene" (MAO-L) gene, causing extra catecholamine release and higher serum adrenaline levels.

Both of these are better resolved by long-term therapies and possibly alpha 1 blockers.

 

[NeverEnough9]

So I decided to be experimental and go outside the box a bit. Ive noticed even when I stretch downward, if I prob above my penis where the ligs are, although I feel then I dont notice much tension. I began hanging ots and I dont know if its just me but withing a week I actually notice a difference on the ruler which I havent seen in months. Ive heard that even when u switch to ots gains come very slow as they come from the tunica. Any explanation to this?