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Hmmm it has struck me what different expectations we have for female vs male bodies ,the same body type may be regarded as positive for one and negative gor the other.

Recently a guy claimed onsite that a girl 6ft should weigh LESS THAN 60kg (132lb). Now a guy weighing this would be regarded as ill ,however lets give some leeweigh here . Now a guy would be expected to have lower bodyfat but on the other hand more muscle mass, so a guy "the same build " might be expected to be say 68kg (150lb) now most people would regard this as extreamly thin and undesirible. Conversley a guy 200lb in good shape would be regarded as having a good build but a 200lb 6ft girl (in good shape) whoa. But hang on the male equivlent of that might be a 6ft 6" 250lb in good shape guy who would be regarded very highly.
 

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I believe its all about proportions. A 6ft guy that weighs 68kg? I doubt he will have strong broad shoulders and Vtaped waist.
 

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And yet the same build on a woman might attract you?
 

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This is a good thread, and myself I have hard expectations on my gf. The thing you also wrote out, but didn't realize is that guys have bigger muscles. Muscles weigh more, which means a man should also weigh more.

Body weighs more than fat.Example http://usathleticsgym.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/fat-vs-muscle.jpg
I know, that's not a scientific resource or anything, but that's how it is.

I mysfelf prefer a bigger butt, but that is acheived by hard workout, not by eating subway, nor being on a diet.
 

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We have a saying "about politics and taste we should not talk". Taste is very subiective.

I personally find many woman types of build attractive. And as many not attractive. About guys Im not a specialist. Im not content with my body for sure, thats why Im attending to gym.
 

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I mysfelf prefer a bigger butt, but that is acheived by hard workout, not by eating subway, nor being on a diet.


And thats what I like. I find it more appealing than big butt. That I know that girl makes effort to look good. Not kilograms of spatula on her face.
 

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I still think the problem is that people just simply aren't used to seeing taller women and when they do meet the taller ladies they have a tendency to lie about their body weight because they're embarrassed.

A 6"0 21 year old 60kg lady would have a BMI of 17.9 which is medically underweight. The person who expected this was told by a fashion model that it's how much women should weigh. Fashion models are, of course, frequently of an unhealthy weight. Now it's fine if that's what gets you off; however for many women in real life they would start to become ill consistently being at that weight.

I weigh 63.50kg and have a BMI of 18.9. A healthy BMI starts at 18.5 and ends at 25. As you can see, I have a LOT of scope there before I'm considered overweight in the medical sense of the word. I'm a dress size 6 in US sizing and I've been scouted by modelling agencies on the street. I never say yes because I know it would be expected of me to lose weight and possibly cut my hair off.

BMI healthy weight calculator - Health tools - NHS Choices

The thing is, I've been both overweight and underweight before. I was ridiculed at school, beaten to the point of broken limbs, concussions and stays in hospital because I was tall and slightly overweight. I stopped eating: every day I just wanted to die because I found myself believing that I was truly worthless. I found myself making excuses not to eat until one day my family could see through my baggy clothes and took me to hospital. Nobody used the word anorexia and my family talked to me about it as I had a throat infection but it was gone now and I needed to eat. For months I would retch up pieces of toast because I just couldn't keep it in. I stayed underweight for a long time; my bones were on display, I wanted to be smaller, so ashamed of my height, too embarrassed to tell people what I weigh.

Now I'm a healthy weight because I try to eat right and exercise. I'm still at the very lower end and I'm always cautious to keep it that way. That's why that thread upset me so much. Tastes are subjective, yet, and I'm aware this sounds conceited, I'm attractive. I've worked damned hard to be happy within myself, to look in the mirror and not see an overweight woman or an ugly face. I KNOW that I'm a good weight - I still get called skinny, slender, bony, small, by people who don't even know me. I know that I'm attractive - why else would men stare after me in the street, make lewd comments, ask me out all the time? Yet when I hear something nasty it just tears me down again.

I never for a second imagined I'd get the ridicule all over again, especially on this site which seems otherwise so nice and accepting. The truth of the matter is this is that my figure looks like this:

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This notion comes from a society where tiny underweight models are made to look tiny and healthy through the use of our good friend Photoshop:

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Men do ultimately weigh more. However, it's vastly over estimated the difference between the sexes because of how the media makes us think. Let's compare the first Google results for men and women with a human photo that can be directly linked. When I type in 'chubby woman' and 'chubby man':

http://frugivoremag.com/cms/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Screen-Shot-2012-05-17-at-1.13.18-PM.png
http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/m...chubby-man-holding-pear-isolated-on-white.jpg

When I type in 'underweight woman' and 'underweight man':
http://www.maggiesemple.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/underweight-model.jpg
http://www.ukmedix.com/news/weight-loss/being_overweight_and_underweight_linked_to_ed6018.cfm

'Good shape woman' and 'good shape man':

http://www.oplife.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Woman-in-good-shape.jpg
http://t1.ftcdn.net/jpg/00/33/58/06/400_F_33580622_4fC1YWsbBx5UxZq5DqDYRj7PRBW2zmYu.jpg

The attached images at the bottom show an anorexic man and woman. Ignore the overweight one, I was going to put a woman too but I haven't got used to the photo uploading system on here yet.

Now, on a different note, if one more person on here says I'm overweight I swear to whatever deity or science that they believe in I will hunt them down. Got it?
 

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This is a good thread, and myself I have hard expectations on my gf. The thing you also wrote out, but didn't realize is that guys have bigger muscles. Muscles weigh more, which means a man should also weigh more.

Body weighs more than fat.Example http://usathleticsgym.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/fat-vs-muscle.jpg
I know, that's not a scientific resource or anything, but that's how it is.

I mysfelf prefer a bigger butt, but that is acheived by hard workout, not by eating subway, nor being on a diet.

Read my post again I made very clear and repeated, allowance for that, eg a 6ft girl weigh less than 60kg at 6ft but a guy68kg at the samr height and so on
 

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And thats what I like. I find it more appealing than big butt. That I know that girl makes effort to look good. Not kilograms of spatula on her face.

Reas my post again I make repeated reference to being in good shape .
 

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I still think the problem is that people just simply aren't used to seeing taller women and when they do meet the taller ladies they have a tendency to lie about their body weight because they're embarrassed.

A 6"0 21 year old 60kg lady would have a BMI of 17.9 which is medically underweight. The person who expected this was told by a fashion model that it's how much women should weigh. Fashion models are, of course, frequently of an unhealthy weight. Now it's fine if that's what gets you off; however for many women in real life they would start to become ill consistently being at that weight.

I weigh 63.50kg and have a BMI of 18.9. A healthy BMI starts at 18.5 and ends at 25. As you can see, I have a LOT of scope there before I'm considered overweight in the medical sense of the word. I'm a dress size 6 in US sizing and I've been scouted by modelling agencies on the street. I never say yes because I know it would be expected of me to lose weight and possibly cut my hair off.

BMI healthy weight calculator - Health tools - NHS Choices

The thing is, I've been both overweight and underweight before. I was ridiculed at school, beaten to the point of broken limbs, concussions and stays in hospital because I was tall and slightly overweight. I stopped eating: every day I just wanted to die because I found myself believing that I was truly worthless. I found myself making excuses not to eat until one day my family could see through my baggy clothes and took me to hospital. Nobody used the word anorexia and my family talked to me about it as I had a throat infection but it was gone now and I needed to eat. For months I would retch up pieces of toast because I just couldn't keep it in. I stayed underweight for a long time; my bones were on display, I wanted to be smaller, so ashamed of my height, too embarrassed to tell people what I weigh.

Now I'm a healthy weight because I try to eat right and exercise. I'm still at the very lower end and I'm always cautious to keep it that way. That's why that thread upset me so much. Tastes are subjective, yet, and I'm aware this sounds conceited, I'm attractive. I've worked damned hard to be happy within myself, to look in the mirror and not see an overweight woman or an ugly face. I KNOW that I'm a good weight - I still get called skinny, slender, bony, small, by people who don't even know me. I know that I'm attractive - why else would men stare after me in the street, make lewd comments, ask me out all the time? Yet when I hear something nasty it just tears me down again.

I never for a second imagined I'd get the ridicule all over again, especially on this site which seems otherwise so nice and accepting. The truth of the matter is this is that my figure looks like this:

View attachment 45366

This notion comes from a society where tiny underweight models are made to look tiny and healthy through the use of our good friend Photoshop:

View attachment 45367

Now, if one more person on here says I'm overweight I swear to whatever deity or science that they believe in I will hunt them down. Got it?

Power to you that you got past such bigots.
 

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Lol, the BMI healthy weight calculator is the same for men and women...
 

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Yes, it is. And your point?

EDIT: Actually, no it's not. Did you see the option to chose if you're a man or a woman or did you just skip past that so you could launch a 'U SO FAT LOL' assault?
 

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I am so happy that you were able to work past all your previous problems Heretohelp. I truly wish that the fashion industry and the general public would change their ideas on what is considered "normal". I think we (at least here in the U.S. ) have twisted the whole idea of "attractive" as being completely opposite of what it should be. When I see the models of today, I just shake my head and think this is not at all attractive. Any time I can see bones sticking out everywhere, I just feel the need to feed those people.

I personally think that you have a beautiful body Heretohelp. You are slender (not skinny) with some great curves. Todays society may feel your hips are big but I think they are magnificent. You have the look that makes a lady, well a lady. Curves are where it's at! I don't want to look at a stick figure. I myself much more prefer a woman with some meat on their bones. I love seeing pics of the ladies back in the 50's through the 70's. They look like women, not teenage boys.

You do indeed look fabulous Heretohelp. Don't ever believe that you don't. And whatever you do, please don't ever look like the last two pics you posted. How can anyone even dream of saying a size 6 is too big? Anyone that thinks that is just plain nuts! Especially with you being 6 feet tall.
 

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Please read carefully guys ,some seem to be missing clear points clearly stated.
 

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Yes, it is. And your point?

EDIT: Actually, no it's not. Did you see the option to chose if you're a man or a woman or did you just skip past that so you could launch a 'U SO FAT LOL' assault?

???? I never said you were overweight... Anyways... I get the same result for male and female, might be bugged though. http://i.imgur.com/WGdyJAH.png & http://i.imgur.com/w2V2kQ1.png. (Reason I mentioned it is because of what someone said earlier in the thread.
 

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I think it's probably bugged then, mine didn't seem to do that.

I'm going to leave this thread alone now since the subject is much too sensitive for me personally and I'm starting to go down avenues of thought I don't want to go down again. I'm just going to leave you all with one image which sums up my entire feelings on the matter.

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This is healthier than this.
 

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Heretohelp, I am surprised that any red blooded man would criticize your body. I think you have a beautiful body, long legs and a fantastic shape and it all seems very well put togther with great proportion.

My wife was 122 at 5 foot tall when we met and her curvy body with her pretty face made me weak in the knees. I do not have a single favorite body and have seen tall and thin r short and curvy as well as tall and curvy to short and very petite women that were and are beautiful.

I dont find bony to be attractive to me but I have still seen some bony chicks that were still hot.

I always say take what society considers the perfect woman and then evenly distribute 15 to 20 extra pounds on herand that is what I find attractive,

If you all have not figured it out yet weight is not a good gauge of health.

A girl that works for me is 5 foot 8 and she weighs about 145 and she is in fantastic condition, you would guess her at 130 but she is solidly built yet looks very slender in the waist.

I never cared about weight, I care about health.
 

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The calculator says that I am obese and 35.9 percent fat, I assure you that is not correct and the calculator is flawed. Does not take in to account ones body measurements and if I were to lose that much weight I would not look good at all.

You can not tell body fat by entering numbers on a calculator. I am a tad overweight but at 230 and 5 foot 8 I still wear a 34 inch waist size.
 
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