Balanced Reverse Kegels + Regular Kegels still have PE

[Minuteman]

Mr Stang's problem is rather unique. Most of the time when people mess up with their kegels at least they get a decent EQ. The fact that you actually got involuntary kegels is a little odd, most of the time they are there but one notices them better when having a kegel routine.

There are several options we can try but most importantly is to determine is your EQ physical or psychological. Depending on that we could be able to plan the next steps. The more you can tell as about yourself and some specific things and the more detailed you can make it the better we would be able to find some way to work this out.

So here is what you are going to do:

- Porn test. Try to find one that really highly arouses you start watching and stimulate yourself until you get erect then continue to watch the porn and stimulate yourself from time to time just so that you can stay erect.

- Try to edge (do this on the different day then the porn test) and continue to do so until you reach ponr, the longer the session the better but don't stress it, then just stop try to enjoy the sensations and go about your day, try this during the day once again (randomly when you feel like it) and again reach ponr and stop. Do this the next day, and one more time during that day but on the last edging ejaculate. Try to get a feeling of your overall responsiveness.

Also some questions:

- Was there ever a time when you didn't have poor EQ? Can you recall what was the last time you had a good erection? Can you point out some specific circumstances etc.

- How frequently do you work out? When did you start working out?

- Do you take any medicine and such, maybe specific supplements?

- Are there any specific poses that you can achieve better EQ, same goes for worse EQ?

- When you did the kegel exercises, did you do them rapidly? Can you describe what kind of exercises you did and how frequently you did them (your kegel workout plan)?

- On the scale from 5 to 10, five being flaccid 5.1 being flaccid with the tendency to get erect etc and 10 being iron hard, practically unbendable what is your usual EQ?


Also be sure to check out Erectile Dysfunction Forum since there is probably a good amount of info that may help you.

I think I have the same problem. About 5 year ago In average i am able to have sex about 15 minutes,then I read that kegel can improve my strength, I did the kegel then. I did it everyday, but now i am only able to last only 3 minutes. Am I doing it wrong ? Fyi, I don't have a consistent routine, I just did kegel whenever I remember it. And I was very addicted to porn, but now I'm trying to quit it. Can someone help me? I'm pretty frustated now and my Gf are very disappointed when I unable to last long.. sorry for my bad english

One of your problem was the fact that you did your kegels whenever you remembered it. The best idea for now is to stop using kegels totally, quit porn, open your own topic about this and start edging.

 

[bournekrist]

Really? should i stop kegel and only do edgingl? allright i will open my own topic then. thank you for your advice Minuteman

 

[Mr. Stang]

Q1: I remeber at 14 i use to have a significant upward curve and my penis would stand erect. I cant really remember for how long and how it acted during masturbation. I tried jelqing at that time and hurt myself because i was at too high of erection levels and stopped util this year.

Q2: used to work out 6-7 times a day. Started about 17. Played football. Now im every other day.

Q3: I take a multi vitamin, fish oil, fiber powder supp, Jack3d pre workout, and whey protein.

Q4: its harder to have good eq standing. Laying down is when i stay at about a 6 or 7 with some involutary kegals.

Q5: in the begining i did ALOT of regular kegals. 50 quicks and as many as i can 10 second holds and would sometimes do three sets every other day. Then tried to incorporate only reverse kegals when i realized the kegal gave me pre e then went to 3:1 rk/k. Tried the 4 quick set 30 sec reg kegal holds for mwf and masturbation in between. Now im on balancing both front and reverse evenly but still get involuntary kegals and pre. Last night i did start stop urine kegals and i edged soon after that. Had a stronger erection, no real involuntary kegals and a little more duration during edging session so maybe that might work for me? Going to try again tomorrow.

Q6: if i get a 10 its only there for 5 to 10 sections. Stimulation or no stimulation. When i start masturbating is usually goes to a 7. If i stop edging or masturbating my erection starts to drop instantly.

 

[Mr. Stang]

Forgot to note that i have low normal test levels and an anal fissure.

 

[Minuteman]

That physical trauma you had as a kid was probably what caused all complications (it could have been much worse) but the fact that you are able to reach 10 is a very good sign, it might even mean that the physical damage might have healed while they psychological side is not, and I am not talking about "it-is-all-in-your-head" but the real concern that your brain is having so to speak of you damaging your penis, that might take some time to heal.

You go the involuntary by doing those quick kegels, they can be problematic to get rid of but can be fixed by performing a conscious 1-3 second medium strength kegel hold or reverse kegel hold every time they occur. Do note that those very close to PONR most of the time cannot be fixed that way since they are mostly natural (talking about those that appear one or two stroke/thrust away from ejaculating)

By the urine kegels I presume you are referring to ones that stop the urine. While it is not a good idea to do that constantly (it can over work some internal muscles or some sphincter that is used to actually hold the urine and cause you not to be able to hold it and you don't want that, this is very rare but it can happen and with your track record it just might) so try to remember the feeling and the actual way you hold those kegels, they are very similar (at least for me) to the towel raises.

Now, once you do the other stuff I posted in the previous post and once you are rested (about 2-3 days later) you will edge until you reach PONR (then you should be at the best of your EQ because of all the pressure) and try to do a towel raise. Simply place any smaller towel on your penis while erected and try to lift it up. I normally do not recommend this to people but since you are conditioned you should try it with little risk. But not before you do the previous stuff and post back the observations etc.

The other thing you have to do is to kinda lose the work-out mentality when it comes to pelvic floor muscles. It might seem counter productive but they do not respond in a same way other muscles do and being overzealous can really mess stuff up (as you unfortunately know), you should take more of a yoga-type approach where you advance very slow but certainly, however the discipline and patience you may have build/learned from your work-out and your training will help you allot. This is mostly because as you will notice, it is the little tweaks that will help you immensely rather than some bigger stuff that is there mostly to cement and keep those little things more constant.

Anyway there is hope, but it will require some work and guess-work.

 

[Mr. Stang]

Thanks Minuteman. Will tryn everything and let you know

 

[Mr. Stang]

Ok so i tried the porn test and heres what happened.
I sarted off Laying down and just the thought of watching porn started to get me hard. By the time it started playing i was at 100.
At the 11 minute mark i noticed a loss of eq of how my erections usually are when i masturbate for about 2 minutes.
It then went back to 100
At rhe 18 min mark loss of eq again then back to 100 a minute after untill the end 22 min video
Havent watched porn in a while so took advantage and released.
These time intervals all include occasional masturbating to stay hard.

 

[Mr. Stang]

Also, if ive used viagra inbetween injury and now and got 100% erections doesnt that mean i dont have a physical problem?

 

[Minuteman]

Good this almost certainly means that you don't have any lasting physical trauma, also being able to stay mostly erect trough the whole thing is a good indicator.

Do the other test (one with ejaculating on the second day) you can use porn but use it much less (for example only for the initial erection) and post back the observations when you can.

What we need to find out is what exactly is causing those EQ drops, maybe something is triggering it.

Anyway after the second test (and a day rest), give the first test another shot, and postpone the towel raising for now.

As for the viagra, it makes sence but I can't claim that with certainty.

 

[Mr. Stang]

Will do.

 

[ThrowAway99]

Another minor question that should be brought up:
You weightlift. Do you also train for cardiovascular health? If not, definitely hop on that - extra and stronger bloodflow can certainly help EQ.

 

[Mr. Stang]

Yup. I do HIIT cardio now. Thanks for the input!

 

[Mr. Stang]

Ok Minuteman heres my second test evaluation. This was without porn.

Session 1 day 1
No involuntary kegels
Started at 9 EQ
Less than 1 min member looked smaer. Eq soon went to a 7.5 then slowly decreased to 6 squishy EQ.

Session 2 day 1
Started off the same "small" size of how i ended off the previous session and eventually went flaccid"

Seasion 1&2 Day 2

EQ stayed low between 6&7 but was able to edge until ponr. Did not release because of my poor eq.

 

[Minuteman]

Ok Minuteman heres my second test evaluation. This was without porn.

Session 1 day 1
No involuntary kegels
Started at 9 EQ
Less than 1 min member looked smaer. Eq soon went to a 7.5 then slowly decreased to 6 squishy EQ.

Session 2 day 1
Started off the same "small" size of how i ended off the previous session and eventually went flaccid"

Seasion 1&2 Day 2

EQ stayed low between 6&7 but was able to edge until ponr. Did not release because of my poor eq.

Since we are getting somewhat mixed results it is probably both psychological and physical problem (although I am not still 100% sure that you have a physical problem), however it is probably much more on the psychological side.

I want you to attempt the same test but with full use of PONR, but you are not allowed to release on day one, and can chose to either release on session 1 day 2 or session 2 day 2 and then post the results here.

The general idea is to find something that will be able to keep you mostly with high EQ trough the session, and to keep doing that trough several sessions so that slowly your body/brain will get used to that as the default state.