I am one of those guys being talked about!! My starting length and girth is substantially above normal, so why did I get into this? As Hillary said, "Because it is there". In truth, my real reason was just to see if PE works, and if it did, would it work for me. I have had very little success with additional length, but my girth has gotten larger. If neither had done anything I really wouldn't have cared. I actually enjoy doing girth work, so I will continue it. For those who have real issues regarding length and girth, I really hope they find the success they are seeking.