Long, Larger, Overextended Flaccid – Updates and Advice

[Jay1983]

No pain no gain. Push hard, PE.

How's that logic working out for ya?

 

[watersnake]

How's that logic working out for ya?

If you don't leave your comfort zone you won't progress. Just be careful of the bundle of nerves near the head.

 

[Jay1983]

If you don't leave your comfort zone you won't progress. Just be careful of the bundle of nerves near the head.

I pushed hard and now I'm like, what bundle of nerves near the head? lol

 

[Romero MD]

Hi Boomer. I don't want to get into any more discussions. I just want to explain and clarify a few points.

It doesnt matter if its a nerve injury ( unlikely ) or not , if your a real doctor and not a troll just scrolling through the web

I think it is also very unlikely to find a troll that has as much knowledge as I do. A troll that in 100 posts never criticized the Penis Enlargment world. And a troll who in 100 posts (most of which required time and work to write) the only thing he did was try to help members. I think it's unlikely... but this is just my opinion.

then why dont you go and publish your so called " studies " on male pelvic health , cpps , LF , hf etc ..why dont you try to help those people that obviouslly fell into porn addiction leading them into thinking porn is the ultimate truth and and big d*cks is a must to get a validation from a girl , its obviouslly not .

What am I doing on PEGym? I could be just another lurker, who would heal and never create an account, nor give you feedback. I created the account to thank the site what it did for me, and to return the favor to people. I think PEGym is currently the best Penis Enlargement site, right? So, I think my contribution has the potential to help many men over the years, right?

Boomer, do you know how much time and work it takes to publish a paper internationally? Especially a new and original paper?... I am currently working at the hospital and studying to get into Obstetrics. I'm not a urologist, I don't have a urology team, I don't have a research team (it's just me drawing conclusions) and I don't have time to publish papers. I did my part, I took my case to the Department of Urology, in the best hospital in my country. No urologist wanted to give importance. What do you want me to do more?

Pornography. It was my master's thesis. My two main evaluators were the Director of the Department of Psychiatry (at the same hospital), and the President of the National Medical Sexology Association. So, I had the two best reviewers that someone with my theme could want. The best of the best. In addition, there were several other top doctors in the room. Man, I'm only 26 years old... xD I'm a kid. At the beginning of my career. And I want to be an obstetrician, not a urologist. What do you want me to do more?

A real doctor ..like a real real medical nuro - surgeon / nuro urologist will never use words like " Lamfo " or " lol " .. or what ever ..

I have never used those words in my life. Never. Not in face-to-face conversation, nor in any type of chat. Where did you see me writing those words?...

those guys are a very smart individuals they dont time for internet mambo jambo adventures in forums like pegym , just saying .. if your realy care about your " patients" go publish the study ..help them .

Why?... I have been reading internet forums since I was 13 years old... Why would I stop reading them, after being a doctor?... What is the logic of your statement?

In regard to nerve injury by streching as you stated - to strech a nerve to the point of its tear has to be very painfull i assume and i heard alot of people with LF had that all of a sudden after jelq season or mustrubation with out any pain ..its just went flaccid and long ...so maybe it is nerve relates maybe its muscle - nerve related ... maybe ita not at all ..who knows .

I think it is not strictly necessary to have such a great pain, in all cases. In addition, pain is highly subjective. For example, how many of you had injuries while doing Hanging? Did you all have immense pain?

Also my urologist told me that and i qute - " if you have and erection then what ever your problem is ...its not that serious "

Your urologist is ignorant. Like the Head of the Urology Department, who saw me. In the second appointment, after I explained the whole disease (Hard Flaccid. Not Long Flaccid) to him, he asked me: "Why do you do this, called Reverse Kegels?"... -.-

Boomer, that is all explained in the first post. The nerves are not the same.

Good day , stay in touch .

Best regards Boomer

 

[boomer12]

You can have both LF and tight pelvic at the same time ...i have , what the protocol for that ?

 

[Romero MD]

You can have both LF and tight pelvic at the same time ...i have , what the protocol for that ?

All right. Please give me your whole story, Boomer.
I want a wall of text with all your story, all your symptoms and all your evolution. All of them highly detailed. The best you can describe.

 

[boomer12]

All right. Please give me your whole story, Boomer.
I want a wall of text with all your story, all your symptoms and all your evolution. All of them highly detailed. The best you can describe.

You can check my post history for my story , its the first one - in short , i was addicted to porn so i used a ring while doing sex / mustrobation , pelvic got tight but erections were fine ...3 years later try to fix my penis mild deviation with jelq movement and oil .. i stated to eage a lil bit ..15 minutes later LF hit me hard ...

 

[burnout]

I also had LF in the beginning when I got HF. Sometimes it was LF but most of the times HF. It disappeared, however, by itself and I no longer have LF any longer. only HF and a tight pelvic floor have remained.

 

[Romero MD]

Hi, guys. I didn't forget to answer. I'm just waiting for Boomer to reply to my private message, so I can post the answer here.

Hi Burnout Do you want me to explore your symptoms from the start? Please write me your wall of text, with all your evolution over the years. Initial injury, all initial symptoms, evolution over the years and current symptoms.

 

[burnout]

Hi, guys. I didn't forget to answer. I'm just waiting for Boomer to reply to my private message, so I can post the answer here.

Hi Burnout Do you want me to explore your symptoms from the start? Please write me your wall of text, with all your evolution over the years. Initial injury, all initial symptoms, evolution over the years and current symptoms.

There is not really much to it. It all started when I did lots of kegels with an already tight PF. I already had soft glans before with erection problems and thought that kegeling would fix this problem but what it actually did was making it worse when I suddenly got HF on top of soft glans. So kegling was definitely the main culprit for me.

I never did drugs or any other substances. Just a lot of sitting and weight lifting. Long flaccid appeared for me in the beginning when I was more relaxed and when I was doing RKs.

 

[Romero MD]

There is not really much to it. It all started when I did lots of kegels with an already tight PF. I already had soft glans before with erection problems and thought that kegeling would fix this problem but what it actually did was making it worse when I suddenly got HF on top of soft glans. So kegling was definitely the main culprit for me.

Yes. You had the same problem (cause) as me.

I never did drugs or any other substances. Just a lot of sitting and weight lifting. Long flaccid appeared for me in the beginning when I was more relaxed and when I was doing RKs.

Ah!... No, Burnout. That is not Long Flaccid

There is a huge difference between the Real Long Flaccid (Hypotonia, Flaccid Paralysis, muscle weakness, total loss of muscle tone, inability to perform Kegels, inability to feel muscle contraction) and your "Long Flaccid" (muscle relaxation, healing process).

I also had/have your "Long Flaccid". That is just muscle relaxation. It's the healing process of Hard Flaccid.

Our "Long Flaccid" is very different from the disease that ho1985, WorkToResolve, rxaxa and closed278 had/have.

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Boomer12, I'm still waiting for your reply to my private message...

 

[Ginsin]

help plz

help plz

Hello sir I read ur recent post about long hard flaccid sir currently I get both long hard flaccid and hard flaccid..i also get pain around glans..i definitely have a nerve issue as when I sit I'll start getting tingling vibration electric shocks in my penis and testicle area.
Sir this is how my story started sir I had an oral and those few days in a row I masturbated 3-4 days in a row... Was on holiday so was drinking alcohol as well... So might have masturbated bit hard..i have in past used kegelling sometimes to delay ejaculation and I think I did it too this time when I masteubated.. So initially wen the problem started I started getting tingling feeling on glans... I was confused wat happened so to check I tried masturbation again after two days gap this time I felt pain and I was also confused was it from the oral I told u above or the masturbation... So I started putting g lot of things on my penis head... I even put campor usedin indian medicine on penis as my friend suggested.. Later I went to doc and took antibiotics wich I ate little bit then stopped..as it made me sick as they were very strong(Amoxocillin with clauvalic acid) ..after my holiday I came back to Australia to my home.. After coming back to Australia I finished my course of antibiotics for 15 days. I have sensitive stomach so it did made my symptoms worse...Later I also took antifungal medication wich I took for 15 days as I had fungus on my chest ( fungus issues on skin was from few years it's tinea fungus just normal fungus) I thought it might be some fungal problem on glans... But physicaly or visibally nothing was to be seen on the glans.. I still had that tingling problem... Later again I started putting so many steroid creams I even put tree tee oil on glans... Suddenly one days I started feeling sharp pain on the glans and I had redness around the crown of glans.. Then I understand that I had put so many things on glans and made it super irritated and I had the nerve pain.. So sir from last 5 months I have pain on my glans... I get little bit hourglass shape but thick in starting then thin.. Also I've felt my penis is bit bend down wards... So sir currently my problem are two I suppose one is the nerve pain... Second is the different shapes.. I feel soreness around the penis.. And third is vibration and tingling wen I sit.. I'll have lot of vibration s tingling in penis wen I sit sir and then pain too.... I'm sure it's d irritated nerves... Pudental nerve... Sir I have done blood and urine test 4 times all came back negative . I also had an ultrasound done which also came back clear.
I was also prescribed flomax after taking flomax my hour glass shape became more prominent.. I used to start getting them more snd more then I stopped it... I'll get hour glass shape sometimes now when I hold my urine...
I have also taken nerve pain meds like nortriipline and lyrica... But they make me very foggy.
Sir my hard flaccid goes away when I urinate but comes back after finishing..
Recently I started training my ic muscles I feel my urine angle is little better but hard flaccid is more is still there...
I've noticed my penis stays bit elongated all day and soreness around it all d time.. Heat makes things worse for me as I might have irritated nerves in the glans .
I'm now confused which way to go... Plz help

 

[Romero MD]

Hello sir I read ur recent post about long hard flaccid sir currently I get both long hard flaccid and hard flaccid..i also get pain around glans..i definitely have a nerve issue as when I sit I'll start getting tingling vibration electric shocks in my penis and testicle area.
Sir this is how my story started sir I had an oral and those few days in a row I masturbated 3-4 days in a row... Was on holiday so was drinking alcohol as well... So might have masturbated bit hard..i have in past used kegelling sometimes to delay ejaculation and I think I did it too this time when I masteubated.. So initially wen the problem started I started getting tingling feeling on glans... I was confused wat happened so to check I tried masturbation again after two days gap this time I felt pain and I was also confused was it from the oral I told u above or the masturbation... So I started putting g lot of things on my penis head... I even put campor usedin indian medicine on penis as my friend suggested.. Later I went to doc and took antibiotics wich I ate little bit then stopped..as it made me sick as they were very strong(Amoxocillin with clauvalic acid) ..after my holiday I came back to Australia to my home.. After coming back to Australia I finished my course of antibiotics for 15 days. I have sensitive stomach so it did made my symptoms worse...Later I also took antifungal medication wich I took for 15 days as I had fungus on my chest ( fungus issues on skin was from few years it's tinea fungus just normal fungus) I thought it might be some fungal problem on glans... But physicaly or visibally nothing was to be seen on the glans.. I still had that tingling problem... Later again I started putting so many steroid creams I even put tree tee oil on glans... Suddenly one days I started feeling sharp pain on the glans and I had redness around the crown of glans.. Then I understand that I had put so many things on glans and made it super irritated and I had the nerve pain.. So sir from last 5 months I have pain on my glans... I get little bit hourglass shape but thick in starting then thin.. Also I've felt my penis is bit bend down wards... So sir currently my problem are two I suppose one is the nerve pain... Second is the different shapes.. I feel soreness around the penis.. And third is vibration and tingling wen I sit.. I'll have lot of vibration s tingling in penis wen I sit sir and then pain too.... I'm sure it's d irritated nerves... Pudental nerve... Sir I have done blood and urine test 4 times all came back negative . I also had an ultrasound done which also came back clear.
I was also prescribed flomax after taking flomax my hour glass shape became more prominent.. I used to start getting them more snd more then I stopped it... I'll get hour glass shape sometimes now when I hold my urine...
I have also taken nerve pain meds like nortriipline and lyrica... But they make me very foggy.
Sir my hard flaccid goes away when I urinate but comes back after finishing..
Recently I started training my ic muscles I feel my urine angle is little better but hard flaccid is more is still there...
I've noticed my penis stays bit elongated all day and soreness around it all d time.. Heat makes things worse for me as I might have irritated nerves in the glans .
I'm now confused which way to go... Plz help

Hi Ginsin! Welcome to PEGym
Please, don't call me sir... xD Just Romero

Your story seems to be a typical case of Hard Flaccid (muscle injury in the pelvic floor - IC and BC muscles). However, you also have Chronic Pelvic Pain Syndrome (CPPS), most likely because your muscle injury is compressing the pudendal nerve. I don't think you have any nerve damage. What you have is a pinched nerve, due to muscle contracture, caused by a muscle strain. It's that compression that is causing your pain, tingling and vibration. The various shapes of the penis are caused by the muscle problem (Hard Flaccid).

First. Please stop all the medication you are taking. If the tests are okay, and you have no skin lesions, there is no reason why you should be taking antibiotics or antifungals. In addition, stop amitriptyline, lyrica and any cream you are putting on the glans, especially creams with steroids. If you have no skin lesion on the glans, none of them is helping you at all.

Second. You will stop touching your penis for a month. No sex, no masturbation, no porn, no orgasms, no attempts to get erections, no attempts to see if it's okay. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. You will forget that you have a penis for a month. You only touch it to pee and wash gently during the shower.

Third. During this break you will read two things:
1 - A Doctor with Hard Flaccid - Updates and Advice - My personal recovery thread. I had no pain. But your case is most likely the same as mine. You just have a more compressed nerve and I didn't. I want you to follow exactly my treatments list, which is detailed in the first post.
2 - The HANS Protocol - After reading the first post on my thread, and before reading the rest of my thread, you will read this protocol. After that, you can read both threads in full.

Sir my hard flaccid goes away when I urinate but comes back after finishing..

This is very common. While reading my thread you will understand why.

Recently I started training my ic muscles I feel my urine angle is little better but hard flaccid is more is still there...

You cannot train the IC muscle. What you have to do is just the opposite: relax the IC muscle. You will learn this in the two threads above.

Heat makes things worse for me as I might have irritated nerves in the glans

Do not apply heat directly to the penis. When I refer the hot rice sock (on my thread), I don't put it directly on my penis or on my glans! I put it on the surrounding muscles. Because that's where the problem is. Heat is important to relax these muscles. But, regarding HEAT, I prefer to just wrap my legs in a blanket.

P.S .: I recommend Tamsulosin (Flomax), in my thread. I think it helps to resolve the Hard Flaccid. BUT, if you think it made you slightly worse, then don't take it. Just take the muscle relaxant.

I wish you a quick recovery, Ginsin. Nice to meet you

 

[Romero MD]

Hi Boomer. So, let's explore your problem.

Your words in 2017:

- 2 min of Penis Ring. 6 months of pelvic floor problems
- Tight anus - difficulties passing bowel movements. I am constipated. It’s like I’m finding it hard to relax my inner rectom. Hard to pass stoole
- Cant empty bladder - I have leftovers of urine - 110cc to be exact - sometimes I feel like I empty everything - but i probably not.
- Hard to pee. Have to relax. Slow Urine
- Increased anus sphinchter and bladder sphinnchter resting tone
- Pee more often
- Penis always wants to be curved. Hard to relax Kegel muscle
- No pain. I dont have the prostaties like pain.
- No Hard Flaccid
- No erections problems. EQ is very good. I have strong erections if i want to. I dont have problems sexualy. EQ =100%
- Remains 100cc in blader after emptying
- Left testicle want to stay up, every deep breath. Also its seems that my left testicle shrinked dramaticly
- Pain 10 min after ejaculation. Disappeared in a day.
- Slow Semen. Have to milk
- I feel like there is a inner penis inside my penis, that want to curve down hard. I feel like my penis when it is flaccid always wanf to curve onto it selfI. I can only feel it while Flaccid. When I erect its all good and the penis is not curved.
- My penis feels like its...its "back is stiff " and i feel like there is a inner penis inside the penis that sometimes push downward
- Very minor varicocele in both sides of testis. I do have a confirmed varicosele in both testis - a very very minor one and a mini hydrocele in the left testicle - wich is the smaller one (but i dont think its related - maybe i had this before but i didnt realised it).
- When ever Im defecate my penis is lose at the left side base... its like the left side fundifom is... less strong then the right one ...now iI dont have ed of any sort but I do have minor varicoele( very minor ) in both testis and the left one is much smaller... I mean much smaller...
- I dont have the famous hard flaccid if that what you mean , and the" point to right " is yes - unnoticiable during erection ..
Its it feels like i cant realy relax my pelvic ..have to strain to pass gas ...stool etc
- Dont bother tell me about Hans. Ive tryes it for a 2 weeks .. Dont seem to help that much .. there is still tension...
- I have one side of the base of the penis tight. When Im straining in the bathroom my penis just move to the right (where the tight ligament is) - its like all the thing just point to the right
- I cannot fully relax my pelvic - my anus is tight its barely open up when im trying to... and when I reverse kegel - also my penis moves to the right.
- Penis tend to lean to the right side nowdays (after the event ) - I noticed it 3 months after the event. Straining to defecate cause the penis to move right in a weird way also. generly speaking - i feel like my left side base is much lose then my right side base - maybe bad masturbation habits I dunno.
- When im having bowel movement my penis goes hard to the right I mean very hard and then I involutary kegel like crazy making it jump hard right and up

- You didn't have nerve dysfunction.
- You didn't have Long Flaccid.
- You didn't have Hard Flaccid (no problem in the Ischiocavernosus muscle)
You had a contracture in the Bulbocavernosus muscle (and in the Puborectalis muscle, which is just above the BC). You had “Semi Hard Flaccid”, only in the Bulbocavernosus muscle. Your penis was not hard, because your IC was fine.

Your words in 2018:

- “Pegasus .. hans .. any one ... i got to talk to you guys private .... i had urinery and defections issues already ( tight pelvic ) but didnt had this hard flaccid penis .. but now i tried to mastrubate while sitting on a flexible ball ... like yoga medium ball - to help relax the muscles there .... and i cummed while not fully erect .... now i feel my flaccid is stiff ... plz help .. you all know my story...
- now after this yoga medium ball sitting and ...mastrubating .. my symptoms got worse.. i acctulay for the first time have hard flaccid while standing... and i feel the tension in the penis sides and between the testicles and anus area .. what to do?”
- im trying to stay relaxed , but the depression is killing me ... i already had some pelvic issues from .. penile ring or some sort .. ( urinery stream is weaker , and i had a tight anus.. but never had any erection "hard flaccid" problems ) ..but now ..now its a whole other story on top if it all ..now i can feel the tension..like a spot of high tension between the base of the penis..maybe sides and bc muscle also ... its like the yoga ball only enhanced the existing issue causing hard flaccid .
- Maybe i injured my pelvic during the "ring" season ..maybe now the yoga ball did the same and only pushed my bc muscle even higher and now its stuck ..mean while im trying to take warm baths and taking baclosal (muscle relaxant ) .. and elatrolet pills also im stretching but it doest seam to work .. ive had full erection 100% since then but its just way hard to get there now , the tension is making me mad i want to inject botox in all my entire pelvic i dont care anymore .. also i want mri to check for scars down there ... i dont have pain .. its just the uncomfortable front side tension ..lime i have a" ball "of tension just above the bc muscle near penis base ..i lost a range of motion down there

The orgasmic contractions, associated with friction on the ball, distended your Ischiocavernosus muscle.
At that time, you had a typical case of Hard Flaccid (in the IC and BC muscle).

Your words in 2020:

- Yesterday (remind you i still have a somewhat tight pelvic) i tried to massage my penis with oil - this lead to me jelqing my penis for like ..10 minutes not too hard but not too soft either .. i didnt had any pain what so ever but , i felt like i my penis is getting larger while flaccid and i got this weird buzzing sensation of arousal that just dont leave me down there , after this i notice that my penis is not retracted like it used to also its more soft ... now , 2 hours later i masturbated just to make sure that everything is ok ..and yes i had 100% EQ very hard , later that night i masturbated again and also good EQ ... but now , my penis is flaccid and large and it feels like i dont know .....blood cant " go back " to pubis bone ..which is weird cuz i do get decent erections. Also another observation - when my dick trying to retract its look like there is a fight between the muscles down there .. he is not just going down in smooth motion ..its look like its go down, stop , go down , stop .. like your doing kegels ..except i dont. Can someone here plz help me through other media to sort this situation ( discord , skype etc) ... i need at least a friend in all of this , someone that knows the struggle of a pelvic floor dysfunction and large flaccid .
edit : i checked right now .. im struggling getting erect while standing.
- Its like its over extended and flaccid , ill try to abstain for a few days
- No numbness , just penis feel like rubber and larger flaccid , also seem like it cant or wont retraxt back .. its like when i want to retract it to turtule mode its just stop passing certain point ..and then it fight me to stay like that . I had PFD already but not like that .. not something that affect erections or stuff like that
- I also got this (Long Flaccid) from applying jelq movement while erect , but i already had Pelvic floor issues ( tight ) when i did that ..(for 2 years ) It was only for 10 minutes and then it hit hard - large soft spongy penis , ED , feels detached like no roots holding it from the base. Im trying to fix this by Relaxing pelvic floor.. but no sure if i need to do normal kegels also cuz my pelvic is already tight , how can i rebalance this?
- You can check my post history for my story , its the first one - in short , i was addicted to porn so i used a ring while doing sex / mustrobation , pelvic got tight but erections were fine ...3 years later try to fix my penis mild deviation with jelq movement and oil .. i stated to eage a lil bit ..15 minutes later LF hit me hard ...
- Hi. I think I have the symptoms 1, 2, 6 ...and 9 (but this one i had it since my pelvic floor dysfunction begun)… No LF, I had decent erections even with LF, but recentlly I did a mistake and masturbated 3 times in a row… Now I’m tight and no decent erections for at least a week now... I’m trying to rest, and doing sport.

Boomer, you don't have the real Long Flaccid. You have Hard Flaccid... and a masturbation addiction.
You have to stop. You are killing your penis.

First. You will take twice the dose the Ginsin took. Your goal is two months. Yes, two months, because your addiction is more serious. No sex, no masturbation, no porn, no orgasms, no attempts to get erections, no attempts to see if it is okay, nothing. Absolutely nothing. You will forget that you have a penis for two months. You will only touch it to pee and wash gently during the shower.

Second, read my thread about Hard Flaccid and The Hans Protocol again. Apply all knowledge. You tried the protocol for 2 weeks... Do you know how unrealistic it is to want improvements in two weeks? Especially for someone who masturbates as much as you do? I didn't start to see improvements before the first month. And I didn't ejaculate for almost 3 months. I want you to apply the protocol during 3 months, while forgetting that you have a penis.

Stop touching your penis.
I wish you a quick recovery, Boomer.

 

[Ginsin]

Hello Dr romero.. I really appreciate the time you took out to write this msg..i will certainly follow ur guidelines and will update you in this regards.. Thank you again so so much...this is the hour glass shape I get sometimes... but it's better now after relaxing... https://imgur.com/a/9IWy2qL

 

[Romero MD]

Hello Dr romero.. I really appreciate the time you took out to write this msg..i will certainly follow ur guidelines and will update you in this regards.. Thank you again so so much...this is the hour glass shape I get sometimes... but it's better now after relaxing... https://imgur.com/a/9IWy2qL

It looks like a typical Hard Flaccid to me. Yes, relaxing, physically and mentally, is very very important.
You're welcome, Ginsin

 

[pangolo]

Hi Romero. Nice to have found a doctor who is dedicated to exploring these types of problems. I thank you in advance for your information, which I read carefully. I am also using a translator, as I do not speak English fluently, so please excuse the possible writing-grammar.


I have a long flaccid problem, but it is something different from the ones reported here, given the causes. I also apologize that this post may be a bit long.


I started jelqing two years ago. I did it for about three weeks, a little more aggressively than recommended. During the first two weeks everything was fine (except for a small bruise that appeared one day on my penis and thanks to which I began to do it more carefully) until I did what I should not ...


At the time I was addicted to alcohol and drugs, so I didn't have the good sense to even wonder if what I was doing could damage my erection ability, which was always very good before this episode.


I started doing jelqing from the 'inside' part of my penis, that is, the one that is immediately behind my testicles and in front of my anus, that is, directly to the pelvic floor. It seemed great to me, because in just a couple of days I could see my penis get noticeably bigger and thicker. Now I think that I displaced part of a system that should not have been manipulated in that way. With his penis erect he jelqing sitting down and squeezing his legs, I suppose that on the pelvic floor there were also consequences then. I had no problems with erections at the time, until one day of jelqing I had a very strong and large erection, an erection that would not go down. I tried to sleep, he was still erect. Until I finished masturbating.


It is important to note that this was the first moment I had one of the symptoms you mention. After I ejaculated that day, the erection stayed for many minutes, I would say more than 15, until I fell asleep.


The next day I noticed that I couldn't get an erection. Since then, problems to achieve them.


As I already mentioned, that was a couple of years ago.


I started researching and taking supplements. Garlic, Watermelon, Spinach. Every time he tried one of these plants, he got a strong and long-lasting erection. But it only happened the first two days that I tried them. The dysfunction was not cured. The strange thing is that there were periods of time (lasting 4 or 5 days) when the dysfunction disappeared. After those 4 or 5 days, total dysfunction again for a month. I had a girlfriend at the time, a girl with whom I could have normal relations until before the episode. Just by kissing her or looking at her provocative body he had erections. After that, she no longer had them. I was able to have sex with her a few times after the injury (s), but more often than not, she had weak erections, like 60-70%. I tried ginseng, the same happened with the previous supplements. Bruise. The same. Etc. Until I tried the gingko biloba. I bought it as someone who buys something by chance, because he saw it on a shelf. I took the first pill. And after a couple of hours, an incredible erection! I took two pills daily for about 10 days and during those days the problem was solved. That happened about a year after the injury. That is, 10 days when I woke up with my penis fully erect, and I had erections just thinking about my girlfriend. I thought I was cured.


It should be noted that when I took the gingko, I felt the general circulation of my body improve, and the never before noticed feeling of free and fluid circulation in the area of ​​the pelvic region, anus, penis, testicles. The more I took, the better my erections were. I felt more physical energy, blood flowing through my spine, reaching my brain. I was emotionally ecstatic. I felt the blood flow happily towards my penis and every day I felt more strength in my pelvic floor, I felt the bc and ic muscle contracting with increasing pressure, as if they were adjusting, with force. Seriously, I felt like I was cured.


Around those days I began to go to a ceremonial act practiced by indigenous people in the country where I live with the aim of helping to improve my condition (Colombia). We drank yagé (a plant with spiritual purposes, wonderful, by the way) this plant produces vomiting and diarrhea (detoxification and catharsis) and well, it was a night with a great mental learning. But the next day, dysfunction again. Not even the gingko worked anymore.


By the way, yagé helped me get out of alcohol. I keep taking it now. But the truth is that after that night, I no longer felt the effect of the gingko biloba in any of the aspects mentioned above. I don't know if it was by chance or if the intense vomiting during the ceremony night made my pelvic floor loosen again.


Now comes the most curious part of the story.

In those encounters with indigenous knowledge, he met a girl. I fell in love with her. I dumped my girlfriend (too bad it happened, but we had a lot of problems) and started dating this new girl. We dated for about two months and I started to notice something: every time I kissed her, she started to get an erection. And in fact, it was almost complete. My previous girlfriend is a woman with a beautiful body, big and beautiful breasts and an equally big and beautiful buttocks. The new girl is chubby, with a beautiful face and a tenderness that falls in love. With this girl I had partial erection problems in the first sexual encounters (which did not materialize). But after a couple of months we had sex. The erection was complete. The same the next day. And the next. I met her on weekends and we spent two or three days together, days in which we had sex several times a day without any inconvenience. By the way, they are big erections. During the days that I spent with her, I was erect most of the day (we made love since we woke up) but when I returned home, the erections began to gradually decrease again. I broke up with her a month ago. And the problem continues.


Now, my symptoms (it seems to me, are multiple):


initials:


- penis twice as long and thicker in flaccid state.
- absence of morning erections or weak morning erections. Absence of spontaneous erections.
- I think some fibrosis on palpation. I also have vein-artery induration on the dorsal part of the penis.
- Palpable nodules near the glans (which have decreased by half taking cayenne pepper and garlic)
- When the erection is complete, it is difficult for it to go down, even after ejaculating.


Symptoms that appeared months after the injury:


- pain or cramp in the coccyx, which radiates to the buttocks, crotch, and sometimes down the legs. It occurs frequently when sitting up, and also (but less intense) when lying on the back. This pain is not constant (thank God) but it appears or disappears for periods of time of a few days.


- Intermittent and occasional pain in the bc muscle and in the penis. Also sometimes, pain like small needle sticks, or feel like a small burning in the crotch.




I would also like to note that although without results, I continued taking gingko biloba. But curiously, a couple of times I have felt that absolutely noticeable blood flow in my pelvic region and penis and that couple of times I have returned to almost automatic erections.


Surely I still have enough to describe, but I think I have written enough.


What do you think about it, Romero?


Thank you very much for reading such a long text. And thank you very much for wanting to help. Best regard !

 

[Romero MD]

Hi Pangolo! You're welcome

Ok. Let's explore this.

More details about your story:
"- It all started by jelqing. Before jelqing I never had any problem getting an erection. I am 32 years old, I play sports and live a healthy and energetic life.
- One night,after a very promising jelqing session (I had a very hard erection) I couldn't stand it anymore and ended up masturbating. The next day Inoticed that I couldn't easily get an erection, and it has been that way ever since. This happened 10 months ago.
- I don't have hard flaccid proper. My penis changes states in thestrangest way possible: it is usually a little longer than it used to be in a flaccid state. He feels a little thicker (maybe a littleswollen) at times, like rubbery, as if his texture had changed. This has improved with supplementation. Now he has almost no gummy texture. If it is a little longer than normal in a flaccid state but the gummy texture is almost gone, I think thanks to ginseng. The ED continues anyway.
- At other times, but only very rarely, my penis feels flaccid as if its texture were a bit stiffer in the dorsal part. In addition, I have noticed that the veins, arteries, nerves, or whatever is felt on the back of the penis, are somewhat hardened, as if they were tendons.This feels much more when my penis is erect (which happens very rarely) and the stiffness comes only until a little before the half of the trunk of the penis. It is two or three veins, arteries or nerves that feel that way, rigid, like tendons in an erection state.
- I have had periods of time of up to a week where my erections are almost normal, strong, lasting, erections of 15 or more minutes. These periods of erection (which unfortunately have only happened four or five times since my injury) are accompanied by a pleasant sensation of warmth and pleasure in the area of ​​the perineum. But then they leave (usually after masturbation, or a strenuous period of activity) and take a long time to return. If my penis is wrong, why does it get erect in periods of time that vary between 3 to 6 days?
- Another thing. I have a feeling of tiredness in the buttocks. And sometimes,when I try to get an erection and I can't, my glans feels cold, but the odd thing is that I also feel the same thing on my toes! This symptom has begun to occur a few days ago.
- I do not have hard flaccid, I suppose, because I do not have the symptoms of such a condition: I do not have a retracted penis (on the contrary, mine hangs more than normal) I do not have discoloration in the glans, it does not feel stiff most of the time, in I really have no idea what has happened. A muscular problem? An alteration to the morphology and tissue and vascular structure of the penis? A nerve injury? Or a little of everything?
- I had a jelqing injury about 8 months ago. Initially I contemplated all the hypotheses: venous leak, Peryones, etc. However, he had periods of up to a week in which I have completely normal and strong erections, only through thought. From this I deduce that it is not my penis that is wrong, since on those occasions it works 100%.
- The dysfunction returns to ejaculate. However, my symptoms do not coincide much with symptoms like HF. I usually have a semi-rigid flaccid penis (but it is a slight stiffness), and the texture feels a bit rubbery, although this has improved, it already feels softer. But most of the time my penis hangs more than normal without HF. These two states (the semi rigid penis - semi inflated and the soft penis state that hangs more than normal)
Do you think this has something to do with HF or any pelvic floor condition or related muscles?
In short, I think that if my penis has worked so similarly to normal for some periods of test time that in general my penis is not damaged, I think it is something else.
- Sometimes I think I don't have much to worry about. I have had periods when my penis works almost normal, but it is about 4 or 5 days. But then the dysfunction returns: difficulty getting an erection and sustaining it (however, this has improved, they are already sustained, but they are weak erections, however I deduce that the tumescence system works well). Obviously I would like to return to my previous state, where I never even worried about whether or not I was going to get an erection.
- What I am sure of is what I started by jelqing, because it was in that exact period of my life that I noticed an alteration in my sexual functions. In addition, it is normal that if you pull your penis in a way that is not natural, alterations are generated. What we never imagined is that it would be so serious."


Considering your story and your symptoms, the only cause that seems plausible is a muscle problem. Pelvic floor tension. Most likely, muscle contracture in BC and PC. And, although you don’t have Hard Flaccid, I suspect that your IC muscle is also starting to get a little tense. The muscle (relaxation, contraction, flexibility, contracture) is the only modifiable structure that justifies the undulating/wavy pattern of your erections (good-bad-good-bad, etc.), during the various periods, situations and contexts of your life.

I agree with you, I also think that jelqing may have been the initial cause. Perhaps, a small injury in the BC muscle. Mainly, for doing aggressive, erect jelqing and from the "inside" part of your penis. However, your harmful behaviors (alcohol, drugs), your daily lifestyle (sports and supplements) and sexual life (more sex, less sex. Porn??. Are you clenching too much during stimulation??), contribute to the wavy pattern (relaxation, contracture , more blood flow, less blood flow) of your erections.

I also agree with you, you have NO problem in your penis. If there are periods when you can get 10/10 erections, you have no problems in your penis. Muscles are the only body structure that explains all of your symptoms. (Pornography too... You didn't tell me if you watch a lot or not...)

You don't have Hard Flaccid. So, your IC muscle is still reasonably healthy. However, this does not rule out that you do not have tension in the remaining pelvic floor. I think you also have a “Semi Hard Flaccid”. You have tension in the BC and PC muscles, without having too much tension in the IC muscle (which would cause Complete Hard Flaccid).

You have NO nerve damage. You would not be able to get 10/10 erections if you had nerve damage.
Why is there variation in your erections? Because the tension in the pelvic floor also varies. If you contract the pelvic floor too much during sex or masturbation, it can contribute to increased tension for a few days. Alcohol and drugs may also have this effect.
Gingko Biloba and Ginseng are supplements that improve blood flow. Therefore, they make erections easier, even if your pelvic floor may be moderately contracted.

Conclusion:
1 - You have not yet detonated the bomb (Hard Flaccid), but you are creating the time bomb (progressive/wavy muscular tension). You are creating tension on the pelvic floor with your behaviors and lifestyle.
2 - You don't have the real Long Flaccid. You have no nerve damage. You have a "Semi Hard Flaccid".

Solution - the same treatment as for Hard Flaccid:
1 - Read the first post of my Hard Flaccid thread
2 - Read the Hans Protocol.

As a precaution, give a month of absolute rest. See post 195 of my thread for the definition of absolute rest
Let the penis rest for the next month, and do only flexibility exercises for the pelvic floor.
You can continue to take the supplements you were taking. But please, stop drinking alcohol and taking any kind of recreational drugs. They are all erection killers.

Regarding Yagé (ayahuasca), I didn't know it. I was now reading a little about it. And it doesn't seem to have very serious side effects, when it is taken in a spiritual ritual or in a religious context. However, one of the possible side effects is Muscle Spasms:
- Risk assessment of ritual use of oral dimethyltryptamine (DMT) and harmala alkaloids
So, if you felt that after you started taking it, your erections got worse, maybe you should rethink if it's really worth it to continue taking it.

I wish you a quick recovery, Pangolo

 

[pangolo]

Hi !


First of all, thanks for your reply.


I would like to emphasize something especially persistent: the pain or cramp in the tailbone, which is activated when I sit down and also (but less so) when I am lying on my back. That pain or cramp usually radiates to the buttocks, and I also usually feel a feeling of tension in the crotch, as if there is a structure that is a little more elongated than it used to be, but also tense. When I feel this pain, which is frequent, I instinctively squeeze my buttocks and feel like a little cracking in my tailbone. This sensation is sometimes accompanied by a sensation of inflammation in the anus, but without pain. It's as if the anus and the part immediately below it are a little out of place, a little loose, or perhaps a little more out of where it should be. I think I caused some problems with my penis (which do not seem to be so serious, because as you say, I can sometimes have full erections) but we agree that it seems to be a mainly muscular problem, due to the symptoms that you see here. I describe.


What kind of exercises or supplements do you think can help me? Are there medications or natural supplements for these types of conditions or disorders? Or is the solution or can it be mainly through exercises?


Anything else. When I go jogging, the problem of feeling my anus out of place worsens. Also when riding a bike. Too bad, I like both activities quite a bit. But if I must do without them for now, I will.


Yoga, kegels (of which I am a little suspicious as there are people who have gotten their problems from kegels), massages, swimming, or a specific sport?

By the way, I will read carefully the articles or posts that you suggest. I believe that your publications are among the most valuable that I have been able to find, firstly because of your condition as a doctor (you have been studying in detail the global and local functioning of the human body for years) and secondly, because it shows that you do it with the intention of sharing and helping.

Regarding porn, I used to watch it. But I would rather not do it anymore (this is an advantage of the condition, as porn is mentally harmful, although I would rather just not be injured and not watch porn of my own free will) because it no longer excites that type of content.


About yagé, it is simply sacred. Taking it for recreational purposes and in its synthetic form is, for me, a mistake. It is taken for medicinal and spiritual purposes. It has helped me (and other people) improve as a person. I no longer have that life of excesses. And I have had erections (as I mentioned in the previous post, with the girl I met) even one day after the ceremonies. In addition, on a couple of occasions after attending such meetings, I have felt, while lying in my bed at night, how the muscles of my pelvic region and hips begin to tighten and I have come to have erections. I mention it because it seemed to turn off the effect of the gingko biloba. Perhaps the vomiting it produces overloads the abdominal region, which is, as I have read, directly related to the pelvic floor. But, for the rest, it is a wonderful medicinal plant, which helps in an incredible way those people who have felt the need to change something in our minds. It is a sacred plant. Powerful. A psychic tool, in my opinion, without comparison. A gift from God. That if, done with all respect and in the ceremonial context that you mention and with indigenous people or apprentices of the traditions who know well what they are doing, it is a serious matter, too.




Thank you very much for answering. I wish you a happy life.


Regards !!

 

[Romero MD]

Hi ! First of all, thanks for your reply.

You’re welcome, Pangolo

I would like to emphasize something especially persistent: the pain or cramp in the tailbone, which is activated when I sit down and also (but less so) when I am lying on my back. That pain or cramp usually radiates to the buttocks, and I also usually feel a feeling of tension in the crotch, as if there is a structure that is a little more elongated than it used to be, but also tense. When I feel this pain, which is frequent, I instinctively squeeze my buttocks and feel like a little cracking in my tailbone. This sensation is sometimes accompanied by a sensation of inflammation in the anus, but without pain. It's as if the anus and the part immediately below it are a little out of place, a little loose, or perhaps a little more out of where it should be. I think I caused some problems with my penis (which do not seem to be so serious, because as you say, I can sometimes have full erections) but we agree that it seems to be a mainly muscular problem, due to the symptoms that you see here. I describe.

Yes, I think this is muscular tension. Most likely in the Levator Ani muscle. And maybe, also some tension in the glutes, piriformis and hamstrings. Just do stretches for everything. As I advise in my thread.

What kind of exercises or supplements do you think can help me? Are there medications or natural supplements for these types of conditions or disorders? Or is the solution or can it be mainly through exercises?

The supplements I took and the exercises I did are all on my thread:
- A Doctor with Hard Flaccid - Updates and Advice
But the most important things are rest, healthy eating and stretching (pelvic floor and the other muscles)

Anything else. When I go jogging, the problem of feeling my anus out of place worsens. Also when riding a bike. Too bad, I like both activities quite a bit. But if I must do without them for now, I will.

This is normal. Both are activities that create tension in the pelvic floor. Especially if you unconsciously contract it (Involuntary Kegels), while practicing them. Take a 1-2 month break from jogging and cycling, while you train flexibility. And then start them again, slowly.

Yoga, kegels (of which I am a little suspicious as there are people who have gotten their problems from kegels), massages, swimming, or a specific sport?

Yoga is very good. Massages are very good.
Regarding swimming, there are reports of members who say it is good. I also think it's a good thing, as long as you don't have Involuntary Kegels.

Kegels are completely contraindicated during the early stages of Hard Flaccid. You can do them again months later, starting slowly, but only after you have gained flexibility in the pelvic floor.

By the way, I will read carefully the articles or posts that you suggest. I believe that your publications are among the most valuable that I have been able to find, firstly because of your condition as a doctor (you have been studying in detail the global and local functioning of the human body for years) and secondly, because it shows that you do it with the intention of sharing and helping.

Regarding porn, I used to watch it. But I would rather not do it anymore (this is an advantage of the condition, as porn is mentally harmful, although I would rather just not be injured and not watch porn of my own free will) because it no longer excites that type of content.

:thumb:

About yagé, it is simply sacred. Taking it for recreational purposes and in its synthetic form is, for me, a mistake. It is taken for medicinal and spiritual purposes. It has helped me (and other people) improve as a person. I no longer have that life of excesses. And I have had erections (as I mentioned in the previous post, with the girl I met) even one day after the ceremonies. In addition, on a couple of occasions after attending such meetings, I have felt, while lying in my bed at night, how the muscles of my pelvic region and hips begin to tighten and I have come to have erections. I mention it because it seemed to turn off the effect of the gingko biloba. Perhaps the vomiting it produces overloads the abdominal region, which is, as I have read, directly related to the pelvic floor. But, for the rest, it is a wonderful medicinal plant, which helps in an incredible way those people who have felt the need to change something in our minds. It is a sacred plant. Powerful. A psychic tool, in my opinion, without comparison. A gift from God. That if, done with all respect and in the ceremonial context that you mention and with indigenous people or apprentices of the traditions who know well what they are doing, it is a serious matter, too.

Ok. Alright

Thank you very much for answering. I wish you a happy life. Regards !!

You're welcome. Thank you, Pangolo A happy life for you too