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Does anybody on here subscribe to the MGTOW philosophy?

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I'm just curious if anybody on here find themselves taking the red pill that is MGTOW? I see so much men on this forum who are insecure about their size & are so desperate to please women, which leads me to wonder if there's anybody on here who subscribes to the MGTOW ideology.


p.s I'm 30, haven't been on a date in forever & while i'm sexually attracted to women i avoid relationships like the plague & i think i will be a perpetual bachelor for the rest of my existence.
 
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If you are talking pua they have been onsite fairly regularly on and off . Many of us find much in pua to be distasteful.
 

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This pua and seductive stuff is not something what will make you happy.

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I assumed everyone would know what MGTOW is, i guess i have to explain, MGTOW= men.going.their.own.way. It's basically men who aren't focusing on relationships with women but rather looking to seek fullfilment in other endeavours in life, a MGTOW have opted out of the idea of the traditional role men play in society with regards to getting married & having children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvz617_xl-M
^^ Here's one video to somewhat explain it.
 

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Hmm for a while I think it can be good to do some retreat to reach goals in some topic. But all the time? There are also probably woman who have an similiar idea of partnership and life, so maybe this is a option if you want to have both.

Or do you want to avoid the other sex completely, like a monk?
 

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Not really, man. I was like that when totally porn addicted. Nowadays I think I should find a good woman and have kids. I see MGTOW as a bit of a cop-out. There are good women around, you just have to look and spend effort. Expecting them to fall into your lap is ironically quite feminine.

Though if you don't want a relationship for other reasons, that's fine I suppose.
 

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Funny thing is, I bet the more you focus on getting your life in order and not focused on women, the more you'll attract the right ones.
 

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MGTOW is feminism for men and just as cancerous.
 

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Yeah. Sure there are plenty of "Average" and lame women around. If you don't self improve how are you gonna get the good ones?

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Hmm for a while I think it can be good to do some retreat to reach goals in some topic. But all the time? There are also probably woman who have an similiar idea of partnership and life, so maybe this is a option if you want to have both.

Or do you want to avoid the other sex completely, like a monk?

I don't want to avoid the opposite sex like a monk. I think it would be perfect for me to find a woman who wants to live apart, in separate homes, monogamous to each other but more have a intimate relationship without the companionship. I really love my own space, every now & again i get lonely but i'm not sure i get lonely enough to stomach a woman being in my own space 24/7.
 

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I don't want to avoid the opposite sex like a monk. I think it would be perfect for me to find a woman who wants to live apart, in separate homes, monogamous to each other but more have a intimate relationship without the companionship. I really love my own space, every now & again i get lonely but i'm not sure i get lonely enough to stomach a woman being in my own space 24/7.
You want a monogamous, sexual relationship, but you don't want to cohabitate or spend too much time together? That's called dating. Why not put a lable on it and just call it what it is instead of dancing around the subject. You want a girlfriend that has her own life and place to stay, so do most women looking for a relationship. It's not hard to find either, just look for any woman in her early to mid twenties who looks like she has to work for a living and she'll meet your criteria.
 

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It's common in retirment villages funny enough.
 

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I don't want to avoid the opposite sex like a monk. I think it would be perfect for me to find a woman who wants to live apart, in separate homes, monogamous to each other but more have a intimate relationship without the companionship. I really love my own space, every now & again i get lonely but i'm not sure i get lonely enough to stomach a woman being in my own space 24/7.

I understand. Maybe there is a woman who sees things similiar. What I wouldn't do is to just look for sex or an short affair. In my opinion it's nicer to have a person with you, you like and can share things, than just go to the next woman because you don't want the closeness. It's a give and receive.
 

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Sooner or later there will be feelings.


Feelings?...Well YES, you're friends, of course! But those feelings are limited to 'FRIENDSHIP' and not "romantic" (beyond fawking each other) in any permanent way. You're both honest with each other and committed to satisfying each other's physical needs & desires periodically, but also in agreement that there's no "exclusivity" nor "permanence" in your relationship. I've had several of these kinds of relationships over the years, and they work well, so long as you're honest and up front with each other! <THAT"S a purely FWB relationship in the purest sense, IMO.
 

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I've always been happier single, makes more time for other endeavors in my life to focus on but that may just be a personal preference in values. I definitely agree on the philosophy of happiness coming from within, when men go out seeking for partners in the mindset that it will make them happy, it will more times then not make them appear needy and undesirable to the opposite sex.

This is not to say I'm totally against the thought of relationships; people are wired for them to build civilization,families, etc. but they have always detracted from my life personally due to my more 'nomadic' and eccentric way of life.
 

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Haven't really read up on either terms, but based on my life thus far, I pretty much fall in the category of trying to find things I enjoy/make me happy outside of a relationship or dating. If I am being honest, I'm in my late 30s, and although I've gone on a number of dates, most really went nowhere/didn't last, and it took many many failed attempts (and women saying they don't find you attractive physically) to even get that far with any of them.

Not really anything I can change or work on either, given I'm in decent shape, but I'm not that tall, nor do I have what can be considered classical good looks that everyone wants these days (eg. chiseled jaw/strong jawline, deep-set eyes, strong cheeks, etc). As for the things I can control, I've worked on a number in past, have a good job, own my own home, car, motorcycle, money in investments for future, set of hobbies, people always tell me I'm funny/have a great sense of humor, etc, but those don't really matter when you can't even get a foot in the door, so to speak, 9 times out of 10.

I'm also someone who takes time to really grow attracted to someone (personality can matter a lot more than looks, so long as there is some physical attraction), but it also seems if you even spend a little time getting to know someone, they'll typically only ever see you as just a friend, unless they wanted to jump you from the start.

That said, I still do hope to find someone at some point, but it isn't the focus of my life, nor is it in my current long term plans (as I can't bank on finding someone). Fingers still crossed I'll come across someone one day that I do really connect with, who will give me the chance to do so.
 
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Haven't really read up on either terms, but based on my life thus far, I pretty much fall in the category of trying to find things I enjoy/make me happy outside of a relationship or dating. If I am being honest, I'm in my late 30s, and although I've gone on a number of dates, most really went nowhere/didn't last, and it took many many failed attempts (and women saying they don't find you attractive physically) to even get that far with any of them.

Not really anything I can change or work on either, given I'm in decent shape, but I'm not that tall, nor do I have what can be considered classical good looks that everyone wants these days (eg. chiseled jaw/strong jawline, deep-set eyes, strong cheeks, etc). As for the things I can control, I've worked on a number in past, have a good job, own my own home, car, motorcycle, money in investments for future, set of hobbies, people always tell me I'm funny/have a great sense of humor, etc, but those don't really matter when you can't even get a foot in the door, so to speak, 9 times out of 10.

I'm also someone who takes time to really grow attracted to someone (personality can matter a lot more than looks, so long as there is some physical attraction), but it also seems if you even spend a little time getting to know someone, they'll typically only ever see you as just a friend, unless they wanted to jump you from the start.

That said, I still do hope to find someone at some point, but it isn't the focus of my life, nor is it in my current long term plans (as I can't bank on finding someone). Fingers still crossed I'll come across someone one day that I do really connect with, who will give me the chance to do so.

Sounds like you're close to being a MGTOW, the difference is you're still holding out on hope, where as MGTOW men generally harbor some form of resentment towards the opposite sex.

Phoenix if you live in Europe or the U.S & you have a good job, in relatively good health & have a hard time finding love because you think women don't find you attractive, i'd suggest exploring women in developing & third world nations. In my country a mans financial standing & status in society is way more important than anything else & on dating sites you'll even see women in their early 20's seeking out men older than them, i think in the U.S women seek men closer to their own age but i could be wrong.
 

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Haven't really read up on either terms, but based on my life thus far, I pretty much fall in the category of trying to find things I enjoy/make me happy outside of a relationship or dating. If I am being honest, I'm in my late 30s, and although I've gone on a number of dates, most really went nowhere/didn't last, and it took many many failed attempts (and women saying they don't find you attractive physically) to even get that far with any of them.

Not really anything I can change or work on either, given I'm in decent shape, but I'm not that tall, nor do I have what can be considered classical good looks that everyone wants these days (eg. chiseled jaw/strong jawline, deep-set eyes, strong cheeks, etc). As for the things I can control, I've worked on a number in past, have a good job, own my own home, car, motorcycle, money in investments for future, set of hobbies, people always tell me I'm funny/have a great sense of humor, etc, but those don't really matter when you can't even get a foot in the door, so to speak, 9 times out of 10.

I'm also someone who takes time to really grow attracted to someone (personality can matter a lot more than looks, so long as there is some physical attraction), but it also seems if you even spend a little time getting to know someone, they'll typically only ever see you as just a friend, unless they wanted to jump you from the start.

That said, I still do hope to find someone at some point, but it isn't the focus of my life, nor is it in my current long term plans (as I can't bank on finding someone). Fingers still crossed I'll come across someone one day that I do really connect with, who will give me the chance to do so.

That's kinda rough. I'm in a similar boat with taking a while to really grow attracted to someone. I've never really dated, it seems so artificial like a job interview, and have some embarrassing ED issues from porn from a young age.

Maybe you could meet someone in a social group, church or similar. You'd have time to get to know them and for something to develop organically so to speak.