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    Here's the tread to track my PE progress. I've got a few goals over this area. The first one and the most important is:

    1. BIGGER SIZE


    My initial measurements are (01.02.2021):
    NBPFL = 8 cm (3,15")
    MFG = 10,3 cm (4,06")
    BPFSL = 14 cm (5,51")
    BPEL = 14,4 cm (5,67")
    NBPEL = 12,5 cm (4,92")
    MEG = 12 cm (4,72")


    I set myself two erect size goals:
    more realistic, which is NBPEL = 17 cm (6,7") and MEG = 14 cm (5,5"),
    more ambitious, which is NBPEL = 18 cm (7,1") and MEG = 15,3 (6").

    I know that achieving it will require a lot of time and dedication, so I am not rushing myself.
    In the beginning, length is my priority, so I am going to put more effort over it until I hit 6" NBPEL, then increase the volume of girth work. The first year of PE I wanna dedicate to manual work and see how much I can get from it. Then I plan to introduce some devices (extender, hanger, pump, clamp) and maybe some passive work (ADS, ring).

    Manual routine
    My manual routine is based on different stretching exercises, jelqing and girth exercises. Typical workout consists of: warm-up (rice sock, 5-8 min), stretching, jelqing, girth exercises, warm-down (rice sock 5-8 min) and firegoat rolls (3-5 min). The order of exercises is usually stretching-jelqing-girth exercises. I have read that doing girth exercises before length could be beneficial, but I am not utilizing it because of extra cleaning mid-workout and troubles with getting a good grip then. Usually, I follow the scheme of 2 days on/ 1 day off, except the conditioning period. I gradually increase the volume of workout, every week or two. After every 8 weeks there is one week off for recovery. After every 4-5 months there is one month of lighter maintenance routine. Over the time I am incorporating more advanced exercises.

    My gains so far:
    02.2021 03.2021 04.2021 05.2021 06.2021 07.2021 08.2021 09.2021 10.2021 11.2021 12.2021
    NBPFL 8 cm (3,15") 8,1 cm (3,19") 8,3 cm (3,27") 8,8 cm (3,46") 9 cm (3,54") 9 cm (3,54") 9,2 cm (3,62") 9,1 cm (3,58") 9,5 cm (3,74") 9,6 cm (3,78") 9,8 cm (3,86")
    BPFSL 14 cm (5,5") 14,5 cm (5,71") 14,7 cm (5,7") 15,2 cm (5,98") 15,5 cm (6,10") 15,8 cm (6,22") 16 cm (6,30") 16,2 cm (6,38") 16,1 cm (6,34") 16,2 cm (6,38") 16,3 cm (6,42")
    MFG 10,3 cm (4,06") 10,5 cm (4,13") 10,6 cm (4,17") 10,6 cm (4,17") 10,4 cm (4,09") 10,4 cm (4,09") 10,5 cm (4,13") 10,5 cm (4,13") 10,7 cm (4,21") 10,8 cm (4,25") 10,9 cm (4,29")
    NBPEL 12,5 cm (4,92") 12,5 cm (4,92") 12,7 cm (5") 13,1 cm (5,16") 13,3 cm (5,24") 13,5 cm (5,31") 13,7 cm (5,39") 14 cm (5,51") 14,1 cm (5,55") 14,2 cm (5,59") 14,2 cm (5,59")
    BPEL 14,4 cm (5,67") 14,5 cm (5,71") 14,7 cm (5,79") 15 cm (5,91") 15,2 cm (5,98") 15,5 cm (6,10") 15,7 cm (6,18") 16 cm (6,3") 16,1 cm (6,34") 16,2 cm (6,38") 16,2 cm (6,38")
    MEG 12 cm (4,72") 12 cm (4,72") 12,1 cm (4,76") 12 cm (4,72") 11,8 cm (4,65") 11,8 cm (4,65") 11,8 cm (4,65") 11,8 cm (4,65") 11,8 cm (4,65") 12 cm (4,72") 12 cm (4,72")
    01.2022
    NBPFL 9,6 cm (3,78")
    BPFSL 16,5 cm (6,50")
    MFG 10,7 cm (4,21")
    NBPEL 14,3 cm (5,63")
    BPEL 16,2 cm (6,38")
    MEG 12 cm (4,72")
    Descriptions of exercises I am doing [descriptions found online, regularly updated]:

    Directional stretches – Grasp your penis half an inch behind the glans with an overhand grip. Then pull it away from the body at the desired angle. You should pull hard enough to feel strong stretch, but not pain. Each pull should last 30 – 90 s. Restore blood flow every 5 min. Baby powder could be used to get a better grip. Directions of stretching: SO – straight out, SL – straight left, SR – straight right, SD – straight down, SDL – straight down left, SDR – straight down right, SU – straight up, SUL – straight up left, SUR – straight up right, BTC – behind the cheeks, BTCL – behind the left cheek, BTCR – behind the right cheek.

    Rotary stretches – Grasp your penis half an inch behind the glans with an overhand grip. Then stretch it at the desired angle and rotate your hand around clock-wise or counter clock-wise to hit all the angles. Directions of stretching: SO, SD, SU.

    Bundled stretch – Grasp your penis with one hand and twist it clockwise (CW) or counterclockwise (CCW) to the desired number of rotations (180o, 360o, 540o, 720o). Secure a grip while bundled just under your glans as you would for any other stretch, and gently stretch your penis n the desired direction so that you feel resistance. Hold it for 30-60 s. You should stretch for the same amount of time in CW and CCW twisting. Directions of stretching: SO, SL, SR, SD, SDL, SDR, SU, SUL, SUR, BTC, BTCL, BTCR. It can be mixed with V-stretch, A-stretch etc.

    Side-to-side stretch (S2S) – Grasp your penis half an inch behind the glans with an overhand grip. Then stretch it straight down as far as it will go. Next pull it to the left until it reaches your hip, then all the way to the right until it reaches your other hip. That’s one repetition. Restore blood flow every 100 repetitions. You can vary angle, stretching penis up or out instead of down. Directions of stretching: SO, SD, SU.

    V-stretch – Grasp your penis half an inch behind the glans with an overhand grip. Then stretch it out as far as you can. Press down in the middle of the shaft using the webbing between thumb and forefinger. Hold for 30-60 s. Repeat it with pushing down near the base of the shaft and near the glans. Directions of stretching: SO – base, mid-shaft, glans.

    A-Stretch – Grasp your penis half an inch behind the glans with an overhand grip. Then stretch it out as far as you can. Place the cylindrical object (pipe, stick or arm) beneath your penis and “wrap† it forward and down while pulling upward with your cylinder. Hold the stretch for 30-60 s. The stretch can be also performed with placing the object on the left and right side of the penis. Directions of stretching: SO, SL, SR.

    Tunica tugs – In the flaccid or semi-erect state, form one OK grip as close to the base as possible and the other OK grip right below the glans. Then pull both hands away from each other in the desired direction. Directions of stretching: SO, SL, SR, SD, SU. In SO direction A-grip can be used. To do this take the index and middle finger and make A (reverse V) pointing down. Press these against the pubic bone at the base of the shaft and squeeze. With your other hand, grasp the shaft just behind the glans and as you stretch out, press hard with the ^ back into the pubic bone. Stretch out as hard as you can while pressing back as hard as you can.

    Bed fowfers – In the laying position with legs bent at 90o angle, grasp your penis half an inch behind the glans with an overhand grip. Then stretch it behind the cheeks as far as you can go. After that, simultaneously loosen the grip and clasp/trap your penis with thighs. At the and straighten your legs and hold the stretch for desired amount of time. You should feel stretching the ligaments.

    Wet jelqing – Get your penis to the desired erection level, 50-60% for length gains, 70-80% for girth gains. Cover it with lube. Starting at the base, grasp your penis with underhand OK grip (standard grip) or overhand OK grip and push the blood through the penis by moving the OK grip from the base to the glans. It should last about 3-10 s. Then repeat with the other hand. Grip should be firm but not too strong. You should fell the blood moving and the penis expanding. Directions of jelqing: SO, SL&SR – for length gains, SD – for length gains, SU – for girth gains.

    V-jelq – Get your penis to the desired erection level. Then make a V-sign with your middle and ring finger. Now turn your hand to show an upside-down V, while your palm should be facing you. The next step is to curl your fingers like you would hold a grocery bag on them. Then grasp your penis between your curled middle and ring fingers (or index and middle fingers) while your palm should be still facing you. Try to get your grip as close to your pubic bone as possible. Then press these two fingers together to trap and force the blood in your penis. Once pressed together, perform an upward-pulling jelqing motion.

    Erect squeezes – At the desired erection level (80%) place an OK grip at the base of the penis and another grip just below the glans. Squeeze both grips and hold for 10-30 s.

    Uli – At the desired erection level (80-100%) form an OK grip at the base of the penis. Squeeze the grip tightly and hold for 30-60 s.

    ULI+squeezes – At the desired erection level (80-100%) form an OK grip at the base of the penis and another grip just below the glans. Squeeze both grips. After 3-5 s place upper OK grip a little bit lower and squeeze, while holding the grip at the base for the whole time. Continue, until both grips meet. The exercise should last 30-60 s.

    Compressor – At the desired erection level (85-95%) place an OK grip at the base of the penis and another grip just below the glans. Squeeze both grips tightly. While still holding both grips, slightly force both hands towards one another. This should “compressâ€à ‚ the penis. While compressed, slightly move the penis back and forth, causing small bends along the shaft.

    Horse squeeze – At the desired erection level (85-95%) form a tight OK grip at the base of the penis. Squeeze it. With the other hand form a small OK grip and slowly slide it over the glans and towards the base. It should last 15-30 s. For extra intensity: once your second hand reaches the base hand, you can squeeze both hands at the base of the penis for an additional 30 seconds.

    Jelqing Uli – At the desired erection level (80%) form a tight OK grip at the base of the penis. Squeeze it. Then form a second OK grip on top of the first one and slowly jelq it up the penis towards the head. The jelq should last 10-15 s.


    Flaccid Bend - Massage your penis until you are about 30 percent erect. Take your penis in an OK grip, thumb down, just below the glans. Use your other hand to place 2 to 4 fingers under the base of your shaft, forming a sort of support platform. Using the hand at the front of your penis, bend your semi-erect member down over the support you formed with the other hand. Bend to the point of discomfort, but not pain. Hold for 30-60 s. Repeat bending with other directions - upward, to the left and to the right. You can proceed with using more fingers.


    2. PELVIC FLOOR STRENGTH
    My main goal over this section is to have a healthy, strong pelvic floor. At the beginning of my PE workouts I’ve noticed some signs of hard flaccid. It could be mental, the effect of too hard workouts or just existing tension over pelvic floor. I introduced some pelvic floor stretches, that turned out to be very helpful. I also decided to strengthen my pelvic floor muscles by doing Minuteman’s DO/MMO routine. I found it really interesting in terms of achieving DO with a good muscle balance.

    3. STAMINA
    As for stamina I utilized some start-stop edging technique with different time between stops or amounts of stops. I feel like edging and appropriate kegel routine could help me with some preE issues I have sometimes. Anyway, it’s not my primary goal.

    4. CURVATURE
    The next goal on my list is fixing the curvature I have since my teens. My penis is bent to the left – not significantly, but visibly. What’s more, it’s also rotated, so the left side hangs a bit lower than right. It’s only visible when erect. Still working over solution on that.

    5. DISCOLORATION
    Another goal – discoloration. My genital area is visibly darker than the rest of my skin. I know that this kind of hyperpigmentation is natural, but still looking for some effective and safe way to deal with it. To prevent myself from PE induced discoloration I regularly do firegoat rolls and noticed no worsening, because of PE workouts.
    Last edited by voelkey; 5 days ago.
    Starting (01/02/2021): MEG=12 cm BPEL=14.4 cm

    Now (01/12/2021): MEG=12 cm BPEL=16.2 cm

  • #2
    First 2 months I dedicated to condition my penis to further routine. Each workout starts with warm up (5-10 min of warm rice sock) and ends with warm down (5-10 min of warm rice sock), followed by gentle massage. I stretch with overhand grip and jelq with standard OK grip at about 50% erection level.

    Week 1:
    Stretches: 1 set x 15 s – SO, SL, SR, SD, SDL, SDR (2 min) – 3 times a week.
    Wet jelqing: 30 reps each hand – 5 s on 1 rep (5 min) – 3 times a week.

    Week 2:
    Stretches: 1 set x 20 s – SO, SL, SR, SD, SDL, SDR, SU, SUL, SUR (3 min) – 4 times a week.
    Wet jelqing: 50 reps each hand – 5 s on 1 rep (8 min) – 4 times a week.
    Edging: start-stop – 30 min/3 stops – 3 times a week.
    Pelvic stretches.

    Week 3:
    Stretches: 1 set x 30 s – SO, SL, SR, SD, SDL, SDR, SU, SUL, SUR (4,5 min) – 4 times a week.
    Wet jelqing: 70 reps each hand – 5 s on 1 rep (12 min) – 4 times a week.
    Edging: start-stop – 30 min/3 stops – 3 times a week.
    Pelvic stretches + RK (20 reps), K (10 reps), RRL (20 reps), RL (10 reps) – 5 times a week.

    Week 4:
    Stretches: 1 set x 30 s – SO, SL, SR, SD, SDL, SDR, SU, SUL, SUR, BTC, BTCL, BTCR (6 min) – 5 times a week.
    Wet jelqing: 80 reps each hand – 5 s on 1 rep (13 min) – 5 times a week.
    Edging: start-stop – 30 min/3 stops – 3 times a week.
    Pelvic stretches + RK (30 reps), K (15 reps), RRL (30 reps), RL (15 reps) – 5 times a week.

    Week 5:
    Stretches: 2 sets x 30 s – SO, SL, SR, SD, SDL, SDR, SU, SUL, SUR (9 min) – 5 times a week.
    Wet jelqing: 100 reps each hand – 4 s on 1 rep (14 min) – 5 times a week.
    Edging: start-stop – 30 min/3 stops – 3 times a week.
    Pelvic stretches + DO – 0.1.

    Week 6:
    Stretches: 2 sets x 30 s – SO, SL, SR, SD, SDL, SDR, SU, SUL, SUR, BTC, BTCL, BTCR (12 min) – 4 times a week.
    Wet jelqing: 120 reps each hand – 4 s on 1 rep (16 min) – 4 times a week.
    Edging: start-stop – 30 min/3 stops – 4 times a week.
    Pelvic stretches + DO – 0.2.

    Week 7:
    Stretches: 3 sets x 30 s – SO, SL, SR, SD, SDL, SDR, SU, SUL, SUR (13,5 min) – 5 times a week.
    3 sets x 20 s – Rotary stretches: SO, SD, SU (3 min) – 5 times a week.
    Wet jelqing: 140 reps each hand – 4 s on 1 rep (19 min) – 5 times a week.
    Edging: start-stop – 30 min/3 stops – 4 times a week.
    Pelvic stretches + DO – 0.2.

    Week 8:
    Stretches: 3 sets x 30 s – SO, SL, SR, SD, SDL, SDR, SU, SUL, SUR, BTC, BTCL, BTCR (18 min) – 5 times a week.
    3 sets x 20 s – Rotary stretches: SO, SD, SU (3 min) – 5 times a week.
    Wet jelqing: 160 reps each hand – 4 s on 1 rep (21 min) – 5 times a week.
    Edging: start-stop – 30 min/3 stops – 3 times a week.
    Pelvic stretches + DO – 0.3.

    Week 9:
    Free week for recovery.
    Pelvic stretches + DO – 0.4.

    Measurements after 2 months (01.04.2021):
    NBPFL= 8,3 cm (3,27″)
    MFG= 10,6 cm (4,17″)

    BPFSL= 14,7 cm (5,79″)
    NBPEL= 12,7 cm (5″)
    BPEL= 14,7 cm (5,79″)
    MEG=12,1 cm (4,76″)


    I didn't gain much, but didn't even expect it.
    As for stretching - at the beginning my ligs were a bit sore, now they're ok.
    As for jelqing - at the beginning my erection level decreased after few jelqs. Now, I'm able to keep it, sometimes it gets harder. New veins appeared. I believe my flaccid hangs lower. My erections are really hard (9-10). No red spots, no bruises, no pain.

    The only worries now - my flaccid gets hard sometimes. Is it a result of PE or my previous pelvic health? Hard to say. I don't know how serious it is, but my penis is stretchy enough to perform PE.
    Another issue - I rarely have morning woods. But, I rarely had them before PE. A thing to consider.

    Plans for another weeks:
    - introduce some bundled stretches to loosen the tunica,
    - experiment with different angles and pace of jelqing,
    - keep the same routine for 2 weeks or more.

    Week 10-11 [05.04.2021 – 18.04.2021] – 2 ON / 1 OFF:
    Stretches (20,5 min):
    3 sets x 30 s – SO, SL, SR, SD, SDL, SDR, SU, SUL, SUR, BTC, BTCL, BTCR (18 min).
    1 set x 30 s – Bundled stretch 180o : SO, SL, SR, SD, SU (2,5 min).

    Wet jelqing 190 reps each hand (28 min):
    50 reps each hand SO – 4 s on 1 rep (7 min).
    50 reps each hand SL&SR alternately – 4 s on 1 rep (7 min).
    50 reps each hand SD&SU – 4 s on 1 rep (7 min).
    40 reps each hand SO – 5 s on 1 rep (7 min).

    Edging: start-stop – 30 min/3 stops.
    Pelvic stretches + DO – 0.5.

    Week 12-13 [19.04.2021 – 02.05.2021] – 2 ON / 1 OFF:
    Stretches (23 min):
    3 sets x 30 s – SO, SL, SR, SD, SDL, SDR, SU, SUL, SUR, BTC, BTCL, BTCR (18 min).
    2 sets x 30 s – Bundled stretch 180o CW&CCW : SO, SL, SR, SD, SU (5 min).

    Wet jelqing 200 reps each hand (29,5 min):
    50 reps each hand SO – 4 s on 1 rep (7 min).
    50 reps each hand SL&SR alternately – 4 s on 1 rep (7 min).
    50 reps each hand SD&SU – 4 s on 1 rep (7 min).
    50 reps each hand SO – 5 s on 1 rep (8,5 min).

    Edging: start-stop – 30 min/3 stops.
    Pelvic stretches + DO – 1.1.

    Measurements after 3 months (01.05.2021):
    NBPFL= 8,8 cm (3,46″)
    BPFSL= 15,2 cm (5,98″)
    MFG= 10,6 cm (4,17″)
    NBPEL= 13,1 cm (5,16″)
    BPEL= 15 cm (5,91″)
    MEG=12,0 cm (4,72″)
    Last edited by voelkey; 12-02-2021, 05:14 AM.
    Starting (01/02/2021): MEG=12 cm BPEL=14.4 cm

    Now (01/12/2021): MEG=12 cm BPEL=16.2 cm

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    • #3
      Reflections after this 3-month period:

      - Some gains appeared. It's quiet visible in flaccid, that seems to be fuller and hangs lower. A few mms in erect gives hope, but I'm aware that it can be effect of better EQ. Erections are usually really hard now (9-10, I guess). On the other hand, my penis is quiet shy on measuring day and it's hard to mainatin erection, so the real numbers can be higher.

      - Measuring is another issue. I measure once a month, the next day after a rest day, before any PE activity. For BP measurements I have one spot that I press the ruller in. BPFSL is still a challenge for me, because glans are thinner than shaft. Anyway, in such rare measurements it can be possible to cheat yourself to see gains. Need to measure more often.

      - The routine becomes time-consuming so I am gonna divide it into stretching part and jelqing+edging part.

      - As for bundled stretches, at first I had problem with the right grip, but now it's ok. After this exercise penis is usually softer, so it does the work, I guess. In first weeks with bundled stretches I had the feeling that my girth got smaller, but EQ was good. I didn't measure then, but now it's all ok.

      - Jelqing, jelqing, jelqing. Sometimes it got me mad. I had problems with getting the desired erection level, maintaining erection. What I usually do is to stroke to higher erection, let it fade to the level that penis is full, but malleable, jelq - then erection gets a bit lower and stays on this level. I'm still experimenting with the tightness of grip and type of grip. Overhand is almost impossible, because then the erection fades quickly. But still trying it. I think it gives more pressure on sides of CCs, that could be beneficial. And with the free hand I keep my skin and scrotum, otherwise I jelq only skin.

      - While edging I concentrate on maintaining the highest EQ that is possible. But I reach PONR, so it's edging. Sometimes I need to rush myself to hit PONR, especially the first one. No watching porn, ejaculation once a week, rarely twice. It gives good EQ, but 2 or 3 times EQ was so low that I had to stop - it was useless.

      - Pelvic stretches will stay with me for life. Maybe I will post poses I use. As for PE exercises I try to keep my muscles relaxed, but sometimes I can feel how much tension they create. While edging it's ok, but sexual activity sometimes leads to soreness. I have overactive PF for sure. Sometimes even slightly touching the penis results in contraction of PF muscles. And after long edging I have hard flaccid for a short time. Especially standing, of course. But a few RKs and little massage get it to normal, so it's controlled. As for dry orgasm routine, my isolation is very good. Feel no soreness. I do one set of exercises standing and the other one sitting or laying. RKs and RRLs while standing are way much easier.
      Starting (01/02/2021): MEG=12 cm BPEL=14.4 cm

      Now (01/12/2021): MEG=12 cm BPEL=16.2 cm

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      • #4
        Weekly routine update.

        Week 14 [03.05.2021 09.05.2021] 2 ON / 1 OFF:
        Stretches (25,5 min):
        3 sets x 30 s SO, SL, SR, SD, SDL, SDR, SU, SUL, SUR, BTC, BTCL, BTCR (18 min).
        2 sets x 30 s Bundled stretch 180o CW&CCW : SO, SL, SR, SD, SU (5 min).
        50 x 3 s S2S overhand grip, alternating hands (2,5 min).

        Wet jelqing 225 reps each hand (25,5 min):
        60 reps each hand SO at 50% EQ 3 s on 1 rep (6 min).
        60 reps each hand SL&SR alternately at 50% EQ 3 s on 1 rep (6 min).
        60 reps each hand SD&SU at 50% EQ 3 s on 1 rep (6 min).
        15 reps each hand SO at 75% EQ 5 s on 1 rep (2,5 min).
        15 reps each hand SU at 75% EQ 5 s on 1 rep (2,5 min).
        15 reps each hand SR at 75% EQ 5 s on 1 rep (2,5 min).

        Erect squeezes: 5 x 5 s at 80% EQ (25 s) mid-jelqing.
        Edging: start-stop 20-30 min/3 stops.
        ULIs: 3 x 30 s at 85-90% EQ (1,5 min) mid-edging.
        Pelvic stretches + DO 1.2.

        So I added S2S stretches to my routine and some girth work. I find doing S2Ss with standard (underhand) grip so difficult - small glans, fists hitting my thighs. Overhand is good, but it's easy to lose grip or squeeze glans. Still learning it.
        I started girth exercises carefully. Light grip, not the highest EQ. Feels fine now.
        BTW, slower jelqs with higher erection feels a bit better.
        Starting (01/02/2021): MEG=12 cm BPEL=14.4 cm

        Now (01/12/2021): MEG=12 cm BPEL=16.2 cm

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        • #5
          Plans on another period:

          - Pay more attention on PIs: morning wood, erection quality at edging and overall, signs of numbness, soreness, pelvic tension, penis contraction, bruises etc. Maybe I missed something.
          - More frequent measurements - once a week. It could be dismotivaiting, but need to get this precision. There is some idea to track BPFSL pre- and post-workout to know the assess the tension. I got to read this thread and maybe adapt it.
          - More frequent updates, once a week seems good.
          - Follow threads of other members to get the inspiration in further routines.
          - Advance the bundle stretch to full rotation (360o).

          Any tips are always appreciated.
          Starting (01/02/2021): MEG=12 cm BPEL=14.4 cm

          Now (01/12/2021): MEG=12 cm BPEL=16.2 cm

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          • #6
            Hey man, I don't have a ton of advice to offer but I wish you the best of luck.

            You've got some conditioning now, so I think you're on the right track just mixing it up to see what works best for you. I love data and I totally get the desire to track your progress down to the mm but (just speaking for myself) my measurements can go up and down a bit even when the overall trend is in the right direction. I like to take my measurements with a grain of salt, but that's just me. You may have more reliable and consistent measuring methods.

            Also, if you used to use porn and now you're 100% off it, sometimes your brain needs several months to rewire and that can really mess with your EQ in the meantime. Not sure if that's your situation but thought I'd throw that out there.

            Definitely a good idea to browse around and see what others are doing. Good luck!

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            • #7
              Hey Voelky,

              Amazing log, very interesting to read and nice to see you got good gains overall. How are you enjoying the bundled stretches? I tried them before but couldn't get the technique down so I just LAS but I did give up quickly. Do you think they helped with your gains?

              I can't see much wrong g with your routine. You seem to be making continuous gains and as they always say if something isn't broke, don't fix it. If you are enjoying your routine, its not taking all your time up then keep going.

              I never tried underhand on s2s but seems impossible without constantly hitting your legs. With time I was able to get better at over hand and work to maybe 70 or 80 reps before I needed to regrip.

              I know I didn't give much advice here but ill definitely be keeping up with your progress. Good luck brother
              12 November 2020 BPEL 16.8cm MEG 13.8cm
              11 January 2021 BPEL 17.4cm MEG 14.0cm
              07 February 2021 BPEL 17.8cm MEG 14.0cm BEG 13.5cm
              27 May 2021 BPEL 18.4cm NBPEL 15.4cm MEG 14.5cm BEG 14.0cm NBPFL 11.3cm MFG 11.8cm

              Long Term Goal - 21cm NBP X 16cm

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              • #8
                Weekly update.

                Week 15 [10.05.2021 16.05.2021] 2 ON / 1 OFF:
                Stretches (25,5 min):
                3 sets x 30 s SO, SL, SR, SD, SDL, SDR, SU, SUL, SUR, BTC, BTCL, BTCR (18 min).
                2 sets x 30 s Bundled stretch 180o CW&CCW : SO, SL, SR, SD, SU (5 min).
                50 x 3 s S2S overhand grip, alternating hands (2,5 min).

                Wet jelqing 225 reps each hand (25,5 min):
                60 reps each hand SO at 50% EQ 3 s on 1 rep (6 min).
                60 reps each hand SL&SR alternately at 50% EQ 3 s on 1 rep (6 min).
                60 reps each hand SD&SU at 50% EQ 3 s on 1 rep (6 min).
                15 reps each hand SO at 75% EQ 5 s on 1 rep (2,5 min).
                15 reps each hand SU at 75% EQ 5 s on 1 rep (2,5 min).
                15 reps each hand SR at 75% EQ 5 s on 1 rep (2,5 min).

                Erect squeezes:5 x 5 s at 80% EQ (25 s) mid-jelqing.
                Edging: start-stop 20-30 min/3 stops.
                ULIs: 3 x 30 s at 85-90% EQ mid edging.
                Pelvic stretches + DO 1.3.

                So, the routine was exactly the same as on previous week. Got some bitter-sweet observations. The last two stretching sessions was very good - penis was very soft and stretchy. On the other hand, jelqing and edging workouts were very frustrating. I couldn't maintain desired erection while jelqing (loose grip, tight grip, higher or lower EQ, visualisation - nothing helped). While edging the EQ was around 8, sometimes even less.

                I'm just wondering if it's the result of squeezes and ULIs I added to my routine, although on the previous week everything was fine. Anyway, it was physically tiring week for me, so that could be the key. Today is a free day, tomorrow I will do the same routine to check if everything is OK. If so, then it's time to do some progression. If not, then I will cut off squeezes and ULIs. The last solution will be longer break.

                DO routine goes well, but reverse motions while sitting or laying are so difficult. I tend to contract my abdominal muscles while trying to push harder - not a good sign. Need to work on that. BTW, pelvic stretches made my reverse motions breath-dependant. I push while inhaling.

                Tomorrow, I will do some measurements just to improve the technique. Didn't notice any gains.
                Starting (01/02/2021): MEG=12 cm BPEL=14.4 cm

                Now (01/12/2021): MEG=12 cm BPEL=16.2 cm

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DildoShwaggins View Post
                  Hey Voelky,

                  Amazing log, very interesting to read and nice to see you got good gains overall. How are you enjoying the bundled stretches? I tried them before but couldn't get the technique down so I just LAS but I did give up quickly. Do you think they helped with your gains?

                  I can't see much wrong g with your routine. You seem to be making continuous gains and as they always say if something isn't broke, don't fix it. If you are enjoying your routine, its not taking all your time up then keep going.

                  I never tried underhand on s2s but seems impossible without constantly hitting your legs. With time I was able to get better at over hand and work to maybe 70 or 80 reps before I needed to regrip.

                  I know I didn't give much advice here but ill definitely be keeping up with your progress. Good luck brother
                  Thanks for good words.
                  Bundled stretches feels fine, but I do them only with half rotation, so it's not an intensive exercise. I'm gonna try full rotation this week if everything will be fine. I don't know if the helped with my gains. Some people say they help with lenght, some say they are good before girth work. I divide my routine into morning stretching and evening jelqing+edging when it's possible. So I don't know yet if it's better to to them while stretching or before jelqing. We'll see.

                  Yeah, underhand S2Ss are impossible, but I saw this on the video. With overhand I can do about 15 without regripping. I don't like the tension on glans they create. Need to experiment with some powder or even paper.
                  Starting (01/02/2021): MEG=12 cm BPEL=14.4 cm

                  Now (01/12/2021): MEG=12 cm BPEL=16.2 cm

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                  • #10
                    I do my LAS stretch for the last week with at least a 360 bundle. Feels pretty good but intense at the same time.

                    Are you cut or uncut? I was able to work up each passing day with my s2s stretches just getting a better grip. I'm uncut though so its a little more comfortable on my glands I feel. I do need to get a good grip and squeeze to hold it so.after the 70 or 80 reps I got to I did need to release just to allow some blood flow again.
                    12 November 2020 BPEL 16.8cm MEG 13.8cm
                    11 January 2021 BPEL 17.4cm MEG 14.0cm
                    07 February 2021 BPEL 17.8cm MEG 14.0cm BEG 13.5cm
                    27 May 2021 BPEL 18.4cm NBPEL 15.4cm MEG 14.5cm BEG 14.0cm NBPFL 11.3cm MFG 11.8cm

                    Long Term Goal - 21cm NBP X 16cm

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DildoShwaggins View Post
                      I do my LAS stretch for the last week with at least a 360 bundle. Feels pretty good but intense at the same time.

                      Are you cut or uncut? I was able to work up each passing day with my s2s stretches just getting a better grip. I'm uncut though so its a little more comfortable on my glands I feel. I do need to get a good grip and squeeze to hold it so.after the 70 or 80 reps I got to I did need to release just to allow some blood flow again.
                      I do bundled stretch with 360 degrees now and it feels ok. I'm gonna try LAS from next week and I'll see how it goes.
                      Thanks for the tips. I'm uncut too. As I see, you did S2S with foreskin on? I tried it, but then my stretch is not as good. But will try to improve my technique.
                      Starting (01/02/2021): MEG=12 cm BPEL=14.4 cm

                      Now (01/12/2021): MEG=12 cm BPEL=16.2 cm

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                      • #12
                        Weekly update.

                        Week 16 [17.05.2021 23.05.2021] 2 ON / 1 OFF:

                        Stretches (28 min):
                        3 sets x 30 s SO, SL, SR, SD, SDL, SDR, SU, SUL, SUR, BTC, BTCL, BTCR (18 min).
                        2 sets x 30 s Bundled stretch 360o CW&CCW : SO, SL, SR, SD, SU (5 min).
                        100 x 3 s S2S overhand grip, alternating hands (5 min).

                        Wet jelqing: 250 reps each hand (29 min):
                        65 reps each hand SO at 50% EQ 3 s on 1 rep (6,5 min).
                        65 reps each hand SL&SR alternately at 50% EQ 3 s on 1 rep (6,5 min).
                        65 reps each hand SD&SU at 50% EQ 3 s on 1 rep (6,5 min).
                        20 reps each hand SO at 75% EQ 5 s on 1 rep (3,5 min).
                        20 reps each hand SU at 75% EQ 5 s on 1 rep (3,5 min).
                        15 reps each hand SR at 75% EQ 5 s on 1 rep (2,5 min).

                        Erect squeezes: 5 x 5 s at 80% EQ (25 s) mid-jelqing.
                        Edging: start-stop 20-30 min/3 stops.
                        ULIs: 3 x 30 s at 85-90% EQ (1,5 min) mid-edging.
                        Pelvic stretches + DO 1.4.

                        This week I bundled with 360o and it felt ok. To be honest I didn't feel it really intense, but I'm not able to twist more. I'm getting better with S2S, but still working over grip.
                        Some people write that after stretching their ligs are really sore, but I don't feel like that. They are a bit tired I would say. I did some experiments this week. I stretched and jelqed a bit lighter and harder. Harder gave me some temorary hard flaccid, so it was not good. But I felt like stretching only penis itself, so the tunica.

                        Anyway, should stretching be more focused over ligs than tunica? What I mean is that, while stretching you pull penis to the max and then hit angles. But you can grip penis without max stretching and then hit angles. Any answer would be appreciated.

                        I also jelqed standing and sitting and sitting gives me less erection loss. But it's harder to grip properly and reach directions. All edging erection problems gone as fast as they came. It's usually 9,5-10 now. But, is it normal that my EQ drops after ULI? Looking for answers all the time .

                        I do some measurements from time to time and I can see some growth, so it's optimistic. But the bad news is that I will have some hot working time for a month or two, so very little time to PE and almost no privacy. I'm looking for some quick and effective maintenance routine, just to keep my little gains and conditioning.
                        Starting (01/02/2021): MEG=12 cm BPEL=14.4 cm

                        Now (01/12/2021): MEG=12 cm BPEL=16.2 cm

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by voelkey View Post
                          I do bundled stretch with 360 degrees now and it feels ok. I'm gonna try LAS from next week and I'll see how it goes.
                          Thanks for the tips. I'm uncut too. As I see, you did S2S with foreskin on? I tried it, but then my stretch is not as good. But will try to improve my technique.
                          I'm not exactly sure how much I twist when I bundle because I do probably a 360 turn then I will go beneath my leg and behind, pull it in place and sit. As I pull it under my leg I obviously get a little more rotation but then when I sit I probably lose a little in the split second I release. I definitely can't bundle LAS as long as I do regular LAS but since I've been doing it I have noticed an increase in MEG. Maybe the bundles are the catalyst for my growth or they're the extra little boost I needed in my routine to grow but ill definitely keep them up.

                          Yeah I have my foreskin covering as I have quite sensitive glands. From hanging I have developed some extra skin however so skin pull wasn't limiting me in stretching
                          12 November 2020 BPEL 16.8cm MEG 13.8cm
                          11 January 2021 BPEL 17.4cm MEG 14.0cm
                          07 February 2021 BPEL 17.8cm MEG 14.0cm BEG 13.5cm
                          27 May 2021 BPEL 18.4cm NBPEL 15.4cm MEG 14.5cm BEG 14.0cm NBPFL 11.3cm MFG 11.8cm

                          Long Term Goal - 21cm NBP X 16cm

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DildoShwaggins View Post
                            I'm not exactly sure how much I twist when I bundle because I do probably a 360 turn then I will go beneath my leg and behind, pull it in place and sit. As I pull it under my leg I obviously get a little more rotation but then when I sit I probably lose a little in the split second I release. I definitely can't bundle LAS as long as I do regular LAS but since I've been doing it I have noticed an increase in MEG. Maybe the bundles are the catalyst for my growth or they're the extra little boost I needed in my routine to grow but ill definitely keep them up.

                            Yeah I have my foreskin covering as I have quite sensitive glands. From hanging I have developed some extra skin however so skin pull wasn't limiting me in stretching
                            Thanks for explanation!
                            As for S2Ss, I still do them overhand with retracted foreskin. I don't mind to stop after 30 reps to adjust grip.
                            I'm glad bundles work for you. I really doubt they do anything for me. After them my flaccid is usually smaller and there's no positive sign in girth.
                            Starting (01/02/2021): MEG=12 cm BPEL=14.4 cm

                            Now (01/12/2021): MEG=12 cm BPEL=16.2 cm

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                            • #15
                              Weekly update.

                              Week 17-18 [24.05.2021 06.06.2021] 2 ON / 1 OFF:
                              Stretches (31,5 min):
                              3 sets x 30 s SO, SL, SR, SD, SDL, SDR, SU, SUL, SUR, BTC, BTCL, BTCR (18 min).
                              4 sets x 30 s Rotary stretches CW&CCW (2 min).
                              2 sets x 30 s Bundled stretch 360o CW&CCW : SO, SL, SR, SD, SU (5 min).
                              130 x 3 s S2S overhand grip, alternating hands (6,5 min).

                              Wet jelqing: 255 reps each hand (30 min):
                              65 reps each hand SO at 50% EQ 3 s on 1 rep (6,5 min).
                              65 reps each hand SL&SR alternately at 50% EQ 3 s on 1 rep (6,5 min).
                              65 reps each hand SD&SU at 50% EQ 3 s on 1 rep (6,5 min).
                              20 reps each hand SO at 75% EQ 5 s on 1 rep (3,5 min).
                              20 reps each hand SU at 75% EQ 5 s on 1 rep (3,5 min).
                              20 reps each hand SR at 75% EQ 5 s on 1 rep (3,5 min).

                              Erect squeezes: 10 x 5 s at 80% EQ (50 s) mid-jelqing.
                              Edging: start-stop 20-30 min/3 stops.
                              ULIs: 3 x 30 s at 95% EQ (1,5 min) mid-edging.
                              Pelvic stretches + DO 1.4 i 1.5.

                              Due to different personal issues I had some extra off days, so I usually PE 4 days a week now. Not many changes comparing to previous weeks - a few more S2S and squeezes. I'm gonna give up doing SD jelqs and maybe lower the amount of SL&SR jelqs. I'm still thinking about bundled stretches - maybe will cut them off too.
                              Starting (01/02/2021): MEG=12 cm BPEL=14.4 cm

                              Now (01/12/2021): MEG=12 cm BPEL=16.2 cm

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